Adding metadata to Music Video style content

[podonnell 47]

Hi,

I am working on a 'Music' library, and wanted to check to see if my process is the best thing I can be doing before getting in too deep. 

What I've been able to do pretty well so far is identify music DVD / blu-ray discs, those are coming up quite well in IMDB. This pulls in some nice metadata and a good image. However I often rip only the tracks I like on my DVDs instead of saving the entire thing, so that leads to me needing to identify them all by the song titles instead. Still working on making that sort well in Emby.

What I have most struggled with are standalone music videos or performances that an artist puts out that are entirely outside IMDB titles like music DVDs, etc..
I am basically adding all my own info to these, taking a snapshot of part of the video, adding people, etc..
I'd like to have this collection of videos in my Music library, but building up each item is quite time consuming.
Is there anything more I can be doing to identify the artist? It seems like the only way to search is on an IMDB title, even though the Library settings show a bunch of metadata sources, such as msuic album, etc..

Would love to know if anyone has a similar library they've built, and any tips/shortcuts that can make this less cumbersome.

Thanks!

[Luke 42077]

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What I have most struggled with are standalone music videos or performances that an artist puts out that are entirely outside IMDB titles like music DVDs, etc..

Hi, I'm guessing there will probably just not be any internet metadata for these, right?

[podonnell 47]

25 minutes ago, Luke said:

Hi, I'm guessing there will probably just not be any internet metadata for these, right?

I'm in agreement. What I was hoping is I could get most of the info by doing an 'Identify' using the other sources, like Musicbrainz.

However, it seems that the 'Identify' is limited to movie sources like imdb and themoviedb.

[Luke 42077]

44 minutes ago, podonnell said:

 

However, it seems that the 'Identify' is limited to movie sources like imdb and themoviedb.

No, it's not limited to those. It's limited to whatever metadata providers are enabled on the library.

[podonnell 47]

45 minutes ago, Luke said:

No, it's not limited to those. It's limited to whatever metadata providers are enabled on the library.

Hmm, I'm only getting what seems like movie results back. Is that because the item itself is a video perhaps? Ideally I'd like to metadata search on the musical album, which I can find on musicbrainz, but doesn't come through in the Identify search. I confirmed I did have all metadata sources enabled.

[arrbee99 1815]

Maybe adding this might help ?

 

 

 

[Tremas 197]

Hello @podonnell. You are correct, Music Video metadata is tricky. My first recommendation is to use a stand-alone Music Video library type, not a music library. This library type is a mash-up of both music and movies in that it allows both music "artists" and movie "people" as part of the metadata. The best part is that if you correctly identify the "artist" in this media library it will show up in the artist view in your existing music library. Some details can be found here: https://emby.media/support/articles/Music-Naming.html.

The Music Video library type also offers the imvdb meta-data provider. For Music videos you need to name these files the same as on the meta-data provider website which is https://imvdb.com/. The data is not always the best, but it will mainly depend on the type of music in your collection.

My personal way of doing it is to create manage music videos with a music tagging program and generate NFO files for emby to use for populating the data. I talk about it here:

 

One other tip is not to use album art as the main image for Music Videos. It becomes a complete and total pain when searching or making a playlist and trying to determine what songs are audio only and which are videos. If they have different images, you know imediately.

[podonnell 47]

44 minutes ago, Tremas said:

Hello @podonnell. You are correct, Music Video metadata is tricky. My first recommendation is to use a stand-alone Music Video library type, not a music library. This library type is a mash-up of both music and movies in that it allows both music "artists" and movie "people" as part of the metadata. The best part is that if you correctly identify the "artist" in this media library it will show up in the artist view in your existing music library. Some details can be found here: https://emby.media/support/articles/Music-Naming.html.

The Music Video library type also offers the imvdb meta-data provider. For Music videos you need to name these files the same as on the meta-data provider website which is https://imvdb.com/. The data is not always the best, but it will mainly depend on the type of music in your collection.

My personal way of doing it is to create manage music videos with a music tagging program and generate NFO files for emby to use for populating the data. I talk about it here:

 

One other tip is not to use album art as the main image for Music Videos. It becomes a complete and total pain when searching or making a playlist and trying to determine what songs are audio only and which are videos. If they have different images, you know imediately.

Thank you for such a great reply.

I am indeed using a 'Music Video' style library. However, some results that are showing up on imvdb are not pulling through to Emby. This goes back to my main issue noted here -- it doesn't seem to allow you to ping against that site when using 'Identify'. I just tried naming a file exactly as I found it on that site, and only providing the name. No results came back that matched the page I found.

Unfortunately I'm also unable to link to a direct page, only movie pages:

Are you finding the same when you attempt a manual identify?

[Luke 42077]

39 minutes ago, podonnell said:

Thank you for such a great reply.

I am indeed using a 'Music Video' style library. However, some results that are showing up on imvdb are not pulling through to Emby. This goes back to my main issue noted here -- it doesn't seem to allow you to ping against that site when using 'Identify'. I just tried naming a file exactly as I found it on that site, and only providing the name. No results came back that matched the page I found.

Unfortunately I'm also unable to link to a direct page, only movie pages:

Are you finding the same when you attempt a manual identify?

Imvdb is all name based, so you have to enter that into Identify.

[podonnell 47]

15 minutes ago, Luke said:

Imvdb is all name based, so you have to enter that into Identify.

That's what I've been trying. I am getting what appears to be all movies, maybe TV. No music videos return. Example below...

Here's a result on imvdb:
https://imvdb.com/video/fuel/bittersweet

Here's my identify attempt:

 

Here are the results I got back, none match the above result:

Edited August 14, 2024 by podonnell

[Luke 42077]

I would check the metadata providers that you have enabled on the library.

[podonnell 47]

3 minutes ago, Luke said:

I would check the metadata providers that you have enabled on the library.

 

[jellis413 4]

Under Music Video Metadata Downloaders (last item on the above screenshot), I have IMVDb first and then TheMovieDB second, might be worth a shot.  Music Videos have required me to do a lot of manual metadata editing and even when I try to add items in IMVDb, nothing ever happens (my submissions from 9 months, maybe a year ago?) are still sitting as pending approval.

[Happy2Play 9780]

Do you have IMVDB plugin installed?  Or did your image cut it off?

[podonnell 47]

14 hours ago, Happy2Play said:

Do you have IMVDB plugin installed?  Or did your image cut it off?

Bingo! Never knew this was a plugin.

In fact it's probably a good time to visit the plugin catalog in general since I just started testing out premiere.

[podonnell 47]

After installing the plugin, this is still unfortunately very far from what I would consider manageable.

1) You are unable to specify the exact imvdb entry, like how you can with IMDb and MovieDB.

2) The results come back in such an unpresentable manner. No data whatsoever, no images, and you have no idea what you're really choosing outside of the year. (see below)

3) It's applying incorrect information. I submitted for Result #2 below for an item, and it came back with a movie called "The Devil's Tomb".

4) I was able to match one of my other files, but I'm not even sure of the purpose. All it did was update the thumbnail? It didn't even list the artist or any other information at all.

Edited August 15, 2024 by podonnell

[softworkz 5066]

2 hours ago, podonnell said:

1) You are unable to specify the exact imvdb entry, like how you can with IMDb and MovieDB.

Last year, I had developed an entirely new IMVDB metadata provider where this (and other things) is working.

@Lukedidn't want it - because...it's new...

...and I had developed it all new because I had come to the same conclusion: That the current implementation is not much useful in many cases.

Edited August 15, 2024 by softworkz

[softworkz 5066]

Who marked my post as a solution?

It really isn't..

[podonnell 47]

I think that your statement that the current implementation is not much useful is correct. Perhaps it is better to leave this 'unsolved' until something comes along?

[Lazarus_Long 80]

On 8/15/2024 at 5:41 PM, softworkz said:

Last year, I had developed an entirely new IMVDB metadata provider where this (and other things) is working.

@Lukedidn't want it - because...it's new...

...and I had developed it all new because I had come to the same conclusion: That the current implementation is not much useful in many cases.

Is the metadata provider available to be manually installed somehow?  I would love to get semi-decent metadata for my music videos.

What is frustrating is I previously used to have NFO files generated that brought in a bunch of detail (including descriptions)...I think the data came from Wikipedia but I can't find what tool I used to generate them now.  I think it was Media Companion, but that project was abandoned and I can't get the available version to scrape properly now.

[Luke 42077]

1 hour ago, Lazarus_Long said:

Is the metadata provider available to be manually installed somehow?  I would love to get semi-decent metadata for my music videos.

What is frustrating is I previously used to have NFO files generated that brought in a bunch of detail (including descriptions)...I think the data came from Wikipedia but I can't find what tool I used to generate them now.  I think it was Media Companion, but that project was abandoned and I can't get the available version to scrape properly now.

Hi, yes in the server plugin catalog.