Web interface chapter issues

[CharleyVarrick 283]

I have searched those but could not find a perfect match.

1) When clicking on chapters, we lose almost half of the viewable screen.

Does anyone finds this useful and/or good looking ?

I am guessing those are placemat for chapter thumbnails, but couldn't their size be adjusted down,

or better yet; No thumbnail ? No placemat ! Or at the very least, translucent placemat.

2) Is it just me but its a total pain to find my way in those chapters.

I wish the chapter I am presently on would "stand out". 

The chapter timecodes could be useful, but where is the main video timer ? It's obscured by one of those $?#$"&* tiles...

Edited June 30, 2024 by CharleyVarrick

[crusher11 1101]

TL;DR version: Do chapters the way the ATV app does chapters.

[Happy2Play 9780]

37 minutes ago, CharleyVarrick said:

or better yet; No thumbnail ? No placemat ! Or at the very least, translucent placemat.

They would not be there if your file itself did not have its own chapter marks as it appears you have the library option disabled.

38 minutes ago, CharleyVarrick said:

I wish the chapter I am presently on would "stand out". 

Would want to confirm your library option but a chapter image via Chapter marker or Interval image does that.

42 minutes ago, CharleyVarrick said:

The chapter timecodes could be useful, but where is the main video timer ? It's obscured by one of those $?#$"&* tiles...

Again those come from the file itself not Emby.  There might be a glitch as it should jump to the chapter you are currently in when you open the tab.

 

 

But if scaling is too much, I would assume that applies to all the OSD tabs, correct?

[CharleyVarrick 283]

I tend to give proper chapter marks a higher value than some random picked chapter thumbnails.

The option to create chapter thumbnail is off on my system,

99% of actual pics chosen are usually a disaster, and the setting warns scanning will take a hit.

My pc system/display/test scale is set to 125% If I turn it back to recommended 100%, the finer print totally owns my old eyes.

But yes, those ugly useless (for me) black squares are indeed smaller with pc set to 100% instead of 125%.

[CharleyVarrick 283]

2 hours ago, crusher11 said:

TL;DR version: Do chapters the way the ATV app does chapters.

What do you mean by "do chapters" and what is the ATV app?

[Happy2Play 9780]

8 minutes ago, CharleyVarrick said:

The option to create chapter thumbnail is off on my system,

The prevents Emby from creating its 5min chapter images but will not prevent Emby from reading Chapter/Menu info in any given file.

[CharleyVarrick 283]

10 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

The prevents Emby from creating its 5min chapter images but will not prevent Emby from reading Chapter/Menu info in any given file.

Again, I do not see any values to random picked images.

The setting merely prevent the clueless pics.

In my humble opinion, it should prevent placemat as well, so that is my FR for the day.

Take care, Happy

[Happy2Play 9780]

I would assume you want to prevent this in every client not just the Web Client, correct?  As this is not an issue just a personal preference as your files has the information.

[CharleyVarrick 283]

The setting to have Emby create chapter thumbnails (that if I understand correctly, do not even try to match actual chapters marker but go for a random pic every fixed 5 minutes),

this setting is off by default, with a warning that if activated, will increase scan length.

Yet I seem to be portrayed as an picky user for not turning on a feature that I do not wish or care for anyway.

Lets say 70% of Emby users leaves this option turned off by default, it does not mean they agree or like to have blank placemat that obscures 1/3 or more of the screen.

Also, I would think that if my files have chapters embedded. it would be similar for the vast majority of users.

[Happy2Play 9780]

6 minutes ago, CharleyVarrick said:

The setting to have Emby create chapter thumbnails (that if I understand correctly, do not even try to match actual chapters marker but go for a random pic every fixed 5 minutes),

Emby will use file menu if present and present images at those time stamps (assuming option is enabled to create the images).  Files without menus Emby will create then at 5 minute intervals.

I guess in the end you want an option added to completely ignore file chapter/menus when present within your media.  Which Emby currently does not do.

 

Edited June 30, 2024 by Happy2Play

[CharleyVarrick 283]

1 minute ago, Happy2Play said:

Emby will use file menu if present and present images at those time stamps.  Files without menus Emby will create then at 5 minute intervals.

I guess in the end you want an option added to completely ignore file chapter/menus when present within your media.  Which Emby currently does not do.

 

Why is this so hard to understand ?

I am ALL for chapter markers, actual valid embedded chapter based on the plot, not auto-created on a crude 5 minute timer.

I am against clueless random chapter thumbnails, and even more opposed to chapter thumbnail placemat.

It is beyond me why anyone would look at this setting option and think: " Those thumbnails are of no use to me whatsoever, but I just love having big blank tiles covering my media.

Anyone ?

[Happy2Play 9780]

Actually this is a different issue from Itemdetails page and OSD Chapters tab as itemdetails will not show them while when option is disabled, the OSD will as they are jump point in playback and always available.  I guess devs need to hide blank placeholder but all the tabs require just as much space.

Just now, CharleyVarrick said:

I am against clueless random chapter thumbnails, and even more opposed to chapter thumbnail placemat.

I don't see how specific time images are clueless thumbs.  But most believe they are there for a specific purpose.

[CharleyVarrick 283]

15 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

Actually this is a different issue from Itemdetails page and OSD Chapters tab as itemdetails will not show them while when option is disabled, the OSD will as they are jump point in playback and always available.  I guess devs need to hide blank placeholder but all the tabs require just as much space.

I don't see how specific time images are clueless thumbs.  But most believe they are there for a specific purpose.

Not displaying blank placeholder would be just what the doctor ordered.

How clueless are time specific thumbnails ? They are because a machine randomly pick one of 24/30 fps, even if in the end, its all dark, or blurry, or just plain generic and a failure to convey any point in time of the story.  We are just not there yet.

Edited June 30, 2024 by CharleyVarrick

[Happy2Play 9780]

Yes the conflict of users not having option to show you an image.  As these jump points always exist in OSD.  If they were truly cluesless then why does almost all files come with them? 

But yes the web client can easily fix this for you depend on exactly what you truly want.

div.videoosd-tab[data-index="1"] button {display: none}

div.videoosd-tab[data-index="1"] button {background-color: transparent!important}

 

 

Spacing is a little more work as the overall container is for almost all the tabs.

[CharleyVarrick 283]

5 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

Yes the conflict of users not having option to show you an image.  As these jump points always exist in OSD.  If they were truly cluesless then why does almost all files come with them? 

 

Most media files have chapter markers (good thing).

NO MEDIA FILES hold chapter thumbnails. (again, good thing)

Emby says: yes you can let Emby create thumbnail, but we advise against it. (all good so far).

Emby then looks at a text file (chapter name/start time/end time/duration) and reflects "Oh, what a lovely thumbnail/blank place holder that will make".

This is where Emby's behaviour makes zero sense to me.

[Luke 42077]

21 minutes ago, CharleyVarrick said:

Most media files have chapter markers (good thing).

NO MEDIA FILES hold chapter thumbnails. (again, good thing)

Emby says: yes you can let Emby create thumbnail, but we advise against it. (all good so far).

Emby then looks at a text file (chapter name/start time/end time/duration) and reflects "Oh, what a lovely thumbnail/blank place holder that will make".

This is where Emby's behaviour makes zero sense to me.

Hi, what text file? Emby doesn’t get chapter information from any text files.

[Happy2Play 9780]

8 minutes ago, Luke said:

Hi, what text file? Emby doesn’t get chapter information from any text files.

Embedded Menu.  As itemdetails does not show chapter/menu section but OSD Chapters tab always does.   So if no images are extracted the placeholders are a little to bold.

[CharleyVarrick 283]

18 minutes ago, Luke said:

Hi, what text file? Emby doesn’t get chapter information from any text files.

It does not really matter and has nothing to do with my gripes.

That being said the chapter information (name/start time/end time/duration) can be added/edited using plain text, and Saving* gets this text information embedded.

*using Handbrake, XMediaRecode, Drax, and probably a ton of other demux-remux

Edited June 30, 2024 by CharleyVarrick

[rbjtech 5284]

17 hours ago, CharleyVarrick said:

What do you mean by "do chapters" and what is the ATV app?

AndroidTV/FireTV App.

It has serveral key advantages over the Universal App when it comes to playback chapters.

1. Quick Access - 'Up Button' displays the chapters. (just chapters, not the other unwanted menu titles now displayed half way across your viewing screen ...  )

2. 1/4 of the lower screen is used (smaller chapter images) - Universal is about a 3rd, moving to 1/2 screen with the unwanted menu options.    As chapters are small, it means you get more on the screen - 4.5, Universal you only get 3.5 ish.

3. Full Timeline is shown - with all chapter marker positions of the available chapters you are at/scrolling to.

4. Highlights the chapter (perimeter frame) you are listing..

5. Dynamic chapter highlight - ie if you are at the start of the chapters, then it's highlighted to left, mid way, highlights to the middle, towards the end, then it highlights to the right.  When a film has many chapters - this is very useful to where you are.    Univesal app always leave the highlight to the left, until you get to the very end of the chapters then it moves to the right.

6. Jump to 10 second frame skip from any chapter by just pressing 'down'

7. Subtitle white/grey chapter names - not the intense bold white, destroying any screen contrast ..

 

If you use chapters a lot, AndroidTV is just a much nicer experience.

[CharleyVarrick 283]

1 hour ago, rbjtech said:

AndroidTV/FireTV App.

It has serveral key advantages over the Universal App when it comes to playback chapters.

1. Quick Access - 'Up Button' displays the chapters. (just chapters, not the other unwanted menu titles now displayed half way across your viewing screen ...  )

2. 1/4 of the lower screen is used (smaller chapter images) - Universal is about a 3rd, moving to 1/2 screen with the unwanted menu options.    As chapters are small, it means you get more on the screen - 4.5, Universal you only get 3.5 ish.

3. Full Timeline is shown - with all chapter marker positions of the available chapters you are at/scrolling to.

4. Highlights the chapter (perimeter frame) you are listing..

5. Dynamic chapter highlight - ie if you are at the start of the chapters, then it's highlighted to left, mid way, highlights to the middle, towards the end, then it highlights to the right.  When a film has many chapters - this is very useful to where you are.    Univesal app always leave the highlight to the left, until you get to the very end of the chapters then it moves to the right.

6. Jump to 10 second frame skip from any chapter by just pressing 'down'

7. Subtitle white/grey chapter names - not the intense bold white, destroying any screen contrast ..

 

If you use chapters a lot, AndroidTV is just a much nicer experience.

Hi there,

if only I had a quarter every time I was told how great the app is over the web browser...

The thing is, over the years, I committed $$ and time to 3 dedicated Windows machines,

so I'd rather continue on present path, at least for the time being.

I use chapters mainly for my music shows collection, so I can see song titles instead of "chapter 8".

Edited July 1, 2024 by CharleyVarrick