mp3 tags grouping and changing

[paddy75 16]

hi,
i have the following problems.
I use mediamonkey to tag and organize audiobooks and music

If I add a genre in the mp3 tag for an audiobook the normal behavior is this:

The whole audiobook is grouped then with this genre. Everything is fine

In mediamonkey I also can add a tag "grouping" which is the same in emby called "tag".
If I use this, and open the audiobook, it looks like this:

each track is listed separately and they are not grouped. I think the normal behavior should be the same as it is for genre. this happens for audiobooks and music.

 

second problem:
If I update/change the genre and do a library scan, they are not updated. The only way to solve this problem is to remove the files from the storage, rescan the library and then remove them back to the library with a following rescan.

 

 

Edited June 21, 2024 by paddy75

[Luke 42080]

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If I update/change the genre and do a library scan, they are not updated.

Hi, yes they will be updated, provided that the date modified timestamp of the file is different than before.

[Luke 42080]

How did you get to the second screenshot? everything looks grouped to me.

[paddy75 16]

10 hours ago, Luke said:

Hi, yes they will be updated, provided that the date modified timestamp of the file is different than before.

but they are not updated. only when i delete them from library, scan and then add them back again they are updated

[paddy75 16]

10 hours ago, Luke said:

How did you get to the second screenshot? everything looks grouped to me.

Here an example:
in media monkey i added for the whole audiobook the grouping "test"

here a screenshot from musicbrainz for crosschecking:

after the scan a new tag in emby is created:

Here is the result after you clicked on the new tag:

[Luke 42080]

What do the screenshots tell us? I don't quite understand, sorry.

[Happy2Play 9781]

Looks correct to me as it is showing you every item with that TAG.  But sounds like you only want the book to show via tag not individual items.

 

 

 

[Happy2Play 9781]

But testing this it displays all tracks with tag as expected.  As Book itself never gets the Tag but even if it did you would have the book and all tracks.

I guess should book level get the tag also just like it gets genre from tracks? @Luke

But the end result is not what OP expects.

15 hours ago, paddy75 said:

second problem:
If I update/change the genre and do a library scan, they are not updated. The only way to solve this problem is to remove the files from the storage, rescan the library and then remove them back to the library with a following rescan.

What exactly are you doing?  As I updated genre the same way I applied grouping field and they were both seen.

But yes sometime a Refresh is needed vs a library scan when changing tags in my testing.

Edited June 22, 2024 by Happy2Play

[paddy75 16]

59 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

Looks correct to me as it is showing you every item with that TAG.  But sounds like you only want the book to show via tag not individual items.

 

 

 

correct.
if you tag an music album for example, and each item has a different genre, they are also not listed separately because they are part of the album right?

[Happy2Play 9781]

Just now, paddy75 said:

correct.
if you tag an music album for example, and each item has a different genre, they are also not listed separately because they are part of the album right?

Personally you can't compare genres and tags even though they really do pretty much the same thing it is just from the devs design level on how they will propagate.

So if I tag one track to be block I don't want the entire album blocked.  So it really comes back to purpose.

 

 

[Happy2Play 9781]

Also from a Genre aspect it will show multiple levels so yes it will show Author, Book, and Chapters as it technically propagates to all level from track data.

[paddy75 16]

so at the end i can't use the mp3 ID TAG "Group" then and must set it in the album/audiobook directly

[Happy2Play 9781]

Just now, paddy75 said:

so at the end i can't use the mp3 ID TAG "Group" then and must set it in the album/audiobook directly

Correct as I don't know of a way outside of Emby to get what you want.

[Luke 42080]

We should have a way of having tags embedded in the media file flow to the album.

Not the same tags as the tracks, but rather, something that is intended to be applied to the album.

[user24 316]

7 minutes ago, Luke said:

We should have a way of having tags embedded in the media file flow to the album.

Yes, this is the same scenario for music, I think?  It is only possible to tag a whole album (and not the individual underlying tracks) within Emby. There is currently no way to do it with embedded tags, as far as I know? This feature would be very useful.

9 minutes ago, Luke said:

Not the same tags as the tracks, but rather, something that is intended to be applied to the album.

Being able to import ROONALBUMTAG (or something functionally similar) would possibly achieve the desired result for music. Perhaps this would also work for audiobooks? I don't use audiobooks but someone who does may be able to comment further?

Either way, I imagine that ROONALBUMTAG and an equivalent audiobook tag would function the same within Emby. Perhaps both music and audiobooks could be improved at the same time?

For music, implementing ROONALBUMTAG would be consistent with the current ROONTRACKTAG import ability.

I'm not bothered too much about which tag is ultimately used, as long as the (music album) functionality becomes available somehow. Emby being more compatible with Roon for music would be useful, but not imperative.

[Luke 42080]

Hi, yes supporting the album tag is certainly possible. Thanks.