4.8.0.5 Some Collections are side scrolling

[MBSki 1114]

2 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

Actually, this has been an issue for years where one app does one thing and the others do not.  So, everyone wants to compare Android to everything else.  There is no universal dev standpoint across all platforms just similarities.   So, if the time was taken to add to one then why not all?

Understand, but for this particular issue its obvious. One dev worked with users to provide a usable design, another dev decides to ignore users. It's incredibly frustrating.

[rexerm 36]

7 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

Actually, this has been an issue for years where one app does one thing and the others do not.  So, everyone wants to compare Android to everything else.  There is no universal dev standpoint across all platforms just similarities.   So, if the time was taken to add to one then why not all?

As an end user, it also results in some confusion. I, my friends, and family use Emby on a number of devices and Collections are now all over the place:

Old Collections design:
Android TV (with a button)
Samsung
Roku

New Collections design:
Android
Web browser
Emby Theater

[Happy2Play 9780]

Just now, rexerm said:

As an end user, it also results in some confusion. I, my friends, and family use Emby on a number of devices and Collections are now all over the place:

Old Collections design:
Android TV (with a button)
Samsung
Roku

New Collections design:
Android
Web browser
Emby Theater

Very true as every client has to be updated with every change.  Then app stores taking months to approve update or if they even support updates for device at all (Samsung).  So I guess Emby is just doing to many updates where server and client are always out of alignment unless you are manually updating clients but that is not possible across the board either do to private code.

So the days of every client being up to date and alike no longer exist.

[MBSki 1114]

On 4/23/2024 at 1:57 PM, Happy2Play said:

But still unable to reproduce your issue in 4.8.5.0 so either something changed and you have delete and recreate the collection or there is a specific variable to the setup that I do not know how to reproduce.  I can reproduce on Movies in Beta but not TV.

I'm seeing this issue everywhere now in 4.8.6. 

@LukeCan you please fix this issue and switch back to vertical? I get what you're trying to do, but side scrolling 20+ items is terrible user experience.

[Happy2Play 9780]

7 minutes ago, MBSki said:

I'm seeing this issue everywhere now in 4.8.6. 

@LukeCan you please fix this issue and switch back to vertical? I get what you're trying to do, but side scrolling 20+ items is terrible user experience.

And where is that?  Along with what client.  As the image does not really provide location only context of a scroller row.   

 

But issue everywhere is a different topic as this would only about Collections.

Edited May 14, 2024 by Happy2Play

[MBSki 1114]

8 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

And where is that?  Along with what client.  As the image does not really provide location only context of a scroller row.   

 

But issue everywhere is a different topic as this would only about Collections.

It's when looking at collections anywhere collections are available (i.e. Movies, TV Shows, and Collections).

And that view is in web client.

[rexerm 36]

2 hours ago, MBSki said:

I'm seeing this issue everywhere now in 4.8.6. 

@LukeCan you please fix this issue and switch back to vertical? I get what you're trying to do, but side scrolling 20+ items is terrible user experience.

I like repeatedly clicking to get to the end of a 92 item list, myself   No longer having my content in chronological order is just a bonus.

 

Edited May 14, 2024 by rexerm

[rexerm 36]

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Edited May 14, 2024 by rexerm

[Luke 42077]

In the 4.8.7 release that is currently rolling out, you should only be seeing Collections side scroll if they contain multiple types.

So for example, if a collection has only Movies, then it will just be one vertical list. If there are multiple types, then there will be the horizontal categories.

If you prefer just to have one large mixed list like before, then for the next release we'll add a user option to control that. Thanks.

[MBSki 1114]

Just now, Luke said:

If you prefer just to have one large mixed list like before, then for the next release we'll add a user option to control that. Thanks.

Can you make the user option like the ATV app does it where you can show all or show grouped please? That is the best UI as proven by the ATV app.

[rexerm 36]

1 hour ago, Luke said:

If you prefer just to have one large mixed list like before, then for the next release we'll add a user option to control that. Thanks.

Woo-hoo!  Very happy to hear that.

[tanStaafl 14]

I just noticed the side scrolling, as my collections are not that large and only a few mixed.. but there doesn't appear to be a rhyme or reason to which ones will scroll and which ones won't.. looked all over for a way to toggle.. no joy.

@LukeHaving an option to toggle between mixed-no side scroll or mixed-category side scroll would be the perfect solution for me, personally I like them mixed in chronological order since TV series are clearly marked it not like I won't be able to find them.

Thanks again for all the great work on EMBY over the years!!

[Luke 42077]

1 minute ago, tanStaafl said:

I just noticed the side scrolling, as my collections are not that large and only a few mixed.. but there doesn't appear to be a rhyme or reason to which ones will scroll and which ones won't.. looked all over for a way to toggle.. no joy.

@LukeHaving an option to toggle between mixed-no side scroll or mixed-category side scroll would be the perfect solution for me, personally I like them mixed in chronological order since TV series are clearly marked it not like I won't be able to find them.

Thanks again for all the great work on EMBY over the years!!

HI, currently the rhyme or reason is that when a collection has mixed types, you'll get separate categories for each type. When it doesn't, it will scroll vertically like before.

[tanStaafl 14]

On closer inspection I see that now.. was just a bit frustrated with the side scroll, makes looking up items in collections like Marvel Universe a pain.

Hope to see that toggle in the future.

Thanks again!!

[MBSki 1114]

1 minute ago, Luke said:

HI, currently the rhyme or reason is that when a collection has mixed types, you'll get separate categories for each type. When it doesn't, it will scroll vertically like before.

@Luke Can you please respond to my question about the next release? Will the next release allow toggling between grouped and all items? A fixed option for one or the other is not a good idea. It should be a view option in the client.

 

[crusher11 1101]

On 5/19/2024 at 2:43 AM, Luke said:

HI, currently the rhyme or reason is that when a collection has mixed types, you'll get separate categories for each type. When it doesn't, it will scroll vertically like before.

Okay, but two points.

Firstly, why is "videos" its own category when the "videos" in question are movies, so much so that they also appear in the movies section:

And secondly, who do I talk to about refunding the seven hours of my life spent horizontally scrolling a collection of one thousand one hundred and sixty five items?

[Luke 42077]

16 minutes ago, crusher11 said:

Okay, but two points.

Firstly, why is "videos" its own category when the "videos" in question are movies, so much so that they also appear in the movies section:

And secondly, who do I talk to about refunding the seven hours of my life spent horizontally scrolling a collection of one thousand one hundred and sixty five items?

Those are probably two different items. Did you try clicking on them?

[visproduction 315]

On 5/18/2024 at 11:43 AM, Luke said:

currently the rhyme or reason is that when a collection has mixed types, you'll get separate categories for each type. When it doesn't, it will scroll vertically like before.

This is my experience on Version 4.9.0.21 beta.  I can see the logic because mixed types would sort of get lost if the user had to scroll down through 200 collections of movies, to get to  the lower 100 collections from TV shows.  Having mixed types in collections makes the row scrolling to the right for each type.

What is the best UI that would make everyone happy?  Aha... not an easy answer... 
1) Nav Tab list switch option.  Collections Movies, Collections TV Shows...  Then each list takes the whole page below and no scrolling to the right.  Would everyone be happy to default to Movies first?

2) Separate collections to work only for each library type like genres.  No multi type and so no right scrolling row.  This, unfortunately is a lot more coding work, heavier dbase with probably very little pay off.  It is funny, that as soon as you might do this, people will complain again about collections not working for everything anymore!

Does someone else have a different idea?  Would anyone vote for #1?  I like that solution best.
 

[rexerm 36]

3 hours ago, visproduction said:

2) Separate collections to work only for each library type like genres.  No multi type and so no right scrolling row.  This, unfortunately is a lot more coding work, heavier dbase with probably very little pay off.  It is funny, that as soon as you might do this, people will complain again about collections not working for everything anymore!

Hah, oh yes, there would be complaining. Emby allowing anything and everything to coexist in a single collection is one of its strengths over Plex's rigid system.

[crusher11 1101]

7 hours ago, Luke said:

Those are probably two different items. Did you try clicking on them?

Okay, yeah, the "videos" entries are extras, which are just strm files pointing to the movies. Fine. But:

a) Why are they not just listed as movies anyway; and
b) That still doesn't address the issue of side-scrolling over a thousand items

[Luke 42077]

2 hours ago, crusher11 said:

Okay, yeah, the "videos" entries are extras, which are just strm files pointing to the movies. Fine. But:

a) Why are they not just listed as movies anyway; and
 

Depends on the library setup that they belong to.

[jiggity 35]

8 minutes ago, Luke said:

Depends on the library setup that they belong to.

ok, so why do all things from TV get displayed separately if added as an episode, a season or as the whole show?

From the end user perspective that delineation is meaningless, they just want to see all the items in a single container.


What is the logic for making a separation for items from the same library?

[Luke 42077]

4 minutes ago, jiggity said:

ok, so why do all things from TV get displayed separately if added as an episode, a season or as the whole show?

From the end user perspective that delineation is meaningless, they just want to see all the items in a single container.


What is the logic for making a separation for items from the same library?

Hi, I’m not really sure what you’re asking. Can you please describe in more detail? Thanks.

[Smitty018210 143]

Oh look more complaints about forced horizontal/slide scrolling...................shocking.

[jiggity 35]

47 minutes ago, Luke said:

Hi, I’m not really sure what you’re asking. Can you please describe in more detail? Thanks.