Play Media From Zip Files

[spaghetti 8]

Watching movies on emby on client side changing to external player adding VLC player as the media player to allow you to watch movies that are zipped, anyone doing this to save space on your hard drives? Double or more than double your hard drive space by zipping your movies shows etc..

[SLMK 19]

You wont save any space, the files are already compressed. Compressing x264 with 7z results in a slightly larger filesize that the original, at best you would save a tiny amount of space while requiring more power to decompress the file before playing it.

 

[spaghetti 8]

I can zip a 2gig movie down to under a gig and watch it, can zip 4k movies that are 40 gigs down to under 20 and watch them.

[SLMK 19]

I would like to see an example of that to be honest. Unless your video is uncompressed I don't see how you are achieving that sort of reduction with lossless zip compression.

For fun I just tried zipping a 1.2GB H265 4K video, it saved 300Kb.

[Lessaj 467]

I haven't tried messing with compression levels or anything but I am also unsure how you'd be able to achieve that because it's really not saving anything. 

2374430076 Feb 15 11:20 h264.mkv
2361692241 Feb 15 21:30 h264.zip
5825219434 Feb 15 11:20 h265.mkv
5803925864 Feb 15 21:32 h265.zip

[spaghetti 8]

It is easy brother, go on youtube and have a peek a boo you can drive the size down hard on a fast machine but the bigger the compression the longer it takes for emby to play which is not a big deal.

[spaghetti 8]

Ever see the coinops website for games/roms ? after you download a 500gig zip it extracts to over a TB

[SLMK 19]

I suspect you've been taken in by a prank video or haven't actually checked your file sizes before and after, but compression just doesn't work like that.

If a general purpose compression algorithm like zip, designed mostly for text data, could so easily compress video files that are already heavily compressed by an algorithm specifically designed for for video to half the size, then we would be using it everywhere and companies wouldn't spend decades designing new video codecs.

[RanmaCanada 495]

WTF is this stupidity?  You absolutely can NOT compress a 2GB movie down to less than half it's size with zip.  It is physically impossible unless you've somehow broken the laws of mathematics, which is very unlikely.  Buy another HDD.  Storage is cheap, and zipping stuff and expecting it to play from that zip archive, is about the stupidest thing I have ever read on this forum, and there have been some pretty stupid posts.

You do realize that it has to uncompress the data before it can even read it...

Oh wait you think you can compress videos with zip so of course you haven't realized that.

[RanmaCanada 495]

2 minutes ago, spaghetti said:

Ever see the coinops website for games/roms ? after you download a 500gig zip it extracts to over a TB

ROMS are a completely, totally, DIFFERENT object than video.  Please educate yourself before making another post.

[SLMK 19]

4 minutes ago, spaghetti said:

Ever see the coinops website for games/roms ? after you download a 500gig zip it extracts to over a TB

Completely different data types, roms aren't already compressed, videos are. Half the roms in those packs are also mostly empty space already (ie 600mb CD roms for games a fraction of that size).

[spaghetti 8]

4 minutes ago, RanmaCanada said:

WTF is this stupidity?  You absolutely can NOT compress a 2GB movie down to less than half it's size with zip.  It is physically impossible unless you've somehow broken the laws of mathematics, which is very unlikely.  Buy another HDD.  Storage is cheap, and zipping stuff and expecting it to play from that zip archive, is about the stupidest thing I have ever read on this forum, and there have been some pretty stupid posts.

You do realize that it has to uncompress the data before it can even read it...

Oh wait you think you can compress videos with zip so of course you haven't realized that.

Dude I seen it on youtube and why are you sooo rude? do you have issues talking to me like that with such ignorant manner? Go to hell

[RanmaCanada 495]

2 minutes ago, SLMK said:

Completely different data types, roms aren't already compressed, videos are. Half the roms in those packs are also mostly empty space already (ie 600mb CD roms for games a fraction of that size).

Yes, most roms have dummy data.  I can't believe the ignorance from OP here..like wow.

[RanmaCanada 495]

Just now, spaghetti said:

Dude I seen it on youtube and why are you sooo rude? do you have issues talking to me like that with such ignorant manner? Go to hell

You know what I saw on Youtube, proof that Jesus rode a Velociraptor into Times Square and that all the leaders of the world are actually lizard people here to teraform the planet with global warming..

[SLMK 19]

3 minutes ago, spaghetti said:

Dude I seen it on youtube

Try it, if a video has told you its possible then it is a prank.

[RanmaCanada 495]

Love how OP hasn't even bothered to link to so called video that shows you how to do this magic.

As someone who has been dealing with video editing and compression for almost 3 decades, it astounds me that someone thinks this is even possible.

They've also been reported for their uncivil comment.

[seanbuff 1316]

All, please simmer down and keep things civil.

[RanmaCanada 495]

I'll leave this here for you OP.  Please educate yourself, and post your video proof.

 

[Q-Droid 989]

If video could be compressed with zip, which is lossless, then that is the format that would be used as a standard for media.

Edited February 16, 2024 by Q-Droid

[speechles 2055]

Non-compressed spanned RAR makes sense because that is how scene releases are done. Because most FTP servers do not support resume. It is entirely possible to stream from RAR files.

Doing ZIP is just insanely ridiculous. How would you stream from compressed zip archives? Why on Earth would you zip compressed video files? To play the zip it would need to extract it to a temporary location on the hard drive. Then it just winds up playing the same video file it would've in the first place. You just add time before you can watch doing this.

I enjoy threads like this. They are like roller coasters and entertaining.

Edited February 16, 2024 by speechles

[RanmaCanada 495]

@spaghettiPlease post your youtube video that shows your proof that this can be done.  If you can't, then apologize.

[ebr 16184]

Hi.   Everyone please be nice. It would be very easy for someone breaking into the world of personal digital media to not understand all of this.

[TeamB 2438]

3 hours ago, RanmaCanada said:

@spaghettiPlease post your youtube video that shows your proof that this can be done.  If you can't, then apologize.

Why do they need to apologise?
Did I miss something?
I don't think they were trolling. Looks like they genuinely thought they had found something new and were happy and wanted to share.

Edited February 16, 2024 by TeamB

[RanmaCanada 495]

@TeamBOP told me to go suck a D after I called them out (post as been removed).  OP also doubled down harder then a Trumplican when asked if they agree with Trump becoming a dictator. They also never posted their proof, and instead told people to "go look on youtube".  They are either a massive troll, or the dumbest person on the planet.  And I'm thinking it's the latter.

[TeamB 2438]

11 minutes ago, RanmaCanada said:

OP told me to go suck a D after I called them out (post as been removed).

thats probably the bit I am missing

11 minutes ago, RanmaCanada said:

OP also doubled down harder then a Trumplican when asked if they agree with Trump becoming a dictator.

Who asked him, I don't see any references to that in this thread.

13 minutes ago, RanmaCanada said:

or the dumbest person on the planet

just because someone does not understand the finer points of file entropy and compression does not make them dumb or stupid.