Multi-Version movies... HOW?

[twhiting9275 11]

I've done my research. I've used the Google/Bing/whatever. This really needs to be clarified, because it's quite vague, and even when used as suggested, it doesn't work

From the docs (example) . This should show up as Expendables 3 , unrated edition

D:\Movies\Movies2\Plex\The Expendables 3 (2014)\The Expendables 3 (2014) - Unrated Edition.BluRay.1080p.HEVC.mp4

From the forums (example). This one should show up as The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug

The Hobbit_ The Desolation of Smaug  (2013).BluRay.1080p.x265 - [ Extended ]

Neither one of these, however, show up as separate versions. They both show up as separate movies themselves.

There really needs to be a clear cut, and definitive way to do this. Using multiple folders and creating collections isn't really the solution here. Something less confusing.

 

[Spaceboy 2573]

7 minutes ago, twhiting9275 said:

I've done my research. I've used the Google/Bing/whatever. This really needs to be clarified, because it's quite vague, and even when used as suggested, it doesn't work

From the docs (example) . This should show up as Expendables 3 , unrated edition

D:\Movies\Movies2\Plex\The Expendables 3 (2014)\The Expendables 3 (2014) - Unrated Edition.BluRay.1080p.HEVC.mp4

From the forums (example). This one should show up as The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug

The Hobbit_ The Desolation of Smaug  (2013).BluRay.1080p.x265 - [ Extended ]

Neither one of these, however, show up as separate versions. They both show up as separate movies themselves.

There really needs to be a clear cut, and definitive way to do this. Using multiple folders and creating collections isn't really the solution here. Something less confusing.

 

you havent given enough information. for one of the movies give exactly how each version that you are expecting to be grouped is named

[GrimReaper 4739]

26 minutes ago, twhiting9275 said:

This really needs to be clarified, because it's quite vague, and even when used as suggested, it doesn't work

KB article is quite clear, not sure what's vague there. Considering it IS working for numerous users, I'd say your particular setup needs to be looked at: how are your files named/organized? 

26 minutes ago, twhiting9275 said:

Using multiple folders and creating collections isn't really the solution here.

Where was that suggested? As using multiple folders is actually opposite to what is stipulated in KB (though it is feasible to have those and manually group versions or make use of community-made plugin), Emby core requires single movie folder for all versions for automatic multi-versioning. 

Edited April 29, 2023 by GrimReaper

[twhiting9275 11]

22 minutes ago, Spaceboy said:

you havent given enough information. for one of the movies give exactly how each version that you are expecting to be grouped is named

I've given plenty of information. It's all in the filename, as expected. The post itself gave specifics on how they should be named. I really couldn't have been any more clear.

 

6 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

KB article is quite clear, not sure what's vague there. 

Obviously not, because the first example used quite literally used the KB article formatting, and still, it doesn't show up properly. two separate versions of TE3 show up in the library

7 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

Where was that suggested?

In the forum post I linked, a couple of times actually.

If the KB article worked, then I wouldn't be making this post, because, again, the file name is exactly as the kb article suggested.

[GrimReaper 4739]

You're philosophying too much and not providing information asked, if you expect to get any assistance you might think of being more forthcoming. You wouldn't be asked for above is everything was as clear as you assume it is. Since multi-versioning is not dependant on filename only, but folder name and other video files present, information you provided till now helps in no way. 

[twhiting9275 11]

9 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

You're philosophying too much and not providing information asked

Except I'm not.  I'm not philosophizing at all. I'm stating clear facts. Once again. Per the docs

THIS:
The Expendables 3 (2014) - Unrated Edition.BluRay.1080p.HEVC.mp4

should read as
THIS
Expendables 3, unrated edition

it does not

12 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

Since multi-versioning is not dependant on filename only, but folder name and other video files present

NONE of this is mentioned in the docs, nor is it "clear cut". Thanks for proving my original point.

Before Emby gets involved, there are precisely two files in the directory. Yes, I changed them a bit, to try to eliminate ANY possibility of confusion there (one was hevc, one was x256 because that's how Filebot is told to label things)

Quote

D:\Movies\Movies2\Plex\The Expendables 3 (2014)\The Expendables 3 (2014).BluRay.1080p - Theatrical Edition.mp4
D:\Movies\Movies2\Plex\The Expendables 3 (2014)\The Expendables 3 (2014).BluRay.1080p - Unrated Edition.mp4
 

That's it. The directory is right there, the filenames are right there. Everything follows the docs, 100%. If there were extras, I'd add them to their own directory, again, per docs, but there aren't in this case.

Still, even after a rescan (verified the new file names are read properly), the movies show up separately, 

 

 

[Spaceboy 2573]

and there it is. file name before - does not match folder name

[GrimReaper 4739]

Thank you. 

Now read the bold letters from KB article:

Quote

Multi-version movies

Multiple versions of the same content can be stored in a single movie folder.

/Movies
  /300 (2006)
  /300 (2006)/300 (2006) - 1080p.mkv
  /300 (2006)/300 (2006) - 1080p-trailer.mp4
  /300 (2006)/300 (2006) - 4K.mkv
  /300 (2006)/300 (2006) - 720p.mp4
  /300 (2006)/300 (2006) - extended edition.mp4
  /300 (2006)/300 (2006) - directors cut.mp4
  /300 (2006)/300 (2006) - 3D.hsbs.mp4

Each version must begin with the folder name, followed by " - ".

If using the dash method anything following the dash will be what you see in the Emby client app.

You have your files named wrongly. 

33 minutes ago, twhiting9275 said:

Except I'm not.  I'm not philosophizing at all. I'm stating clear facts. Once again. Per the docs

THIS:
The Expendables 3 (2014) - Unrated Edition.BluRay.1080p.HEVC.mp4

should read as
THIS
Expendables 3, unrated edition

Nope, it shouldn't. 

33 minutes ago, twhiting9275 said:

NONE of this is mentioned in the docs, nor is it "clear cut". Thanks for proving my original point.

Quote

Multiple versions of the same content can be stored in a single movie folder.

/Movies
  /300 (2006)
  /300 (2006)/300 (2006) - 1080p.mkv
  /300 (2006)/300 (2006) - 1080p-trailer.mp4
  /300 (2006)/300 (2006) - 4K.mkv
  /300 (2006)/300 (2006) - 720p.mp4
  /300 (2006)/300 (2006) - extended edition.mp4
  /300 (2006)/300 (2006) - directors cut.mp4
  /300 (2006)/300 (2006) - 3D.hsbs.mp4

Each version must begin with the folder name, followed by " - ".

 

33 minutes ago, twhiting9275 said:

Before Emby gets involved, there are precisely two files in the directory. Yes, I changed them a bit, to try to eliminate ANY possibility of confusion there (one was hevc, one was x256 because that's how Filebot is told to label things)

Quote

D:\Movies\Movies2\Plex\The Expendables 3 (2014)\The Expendables 3 (2014).BluRay.1080p - Theatrical Edition.mp4
D:\Movies\Movies2\Plex\The Expendables 3 (2014)\The Expendables 3 (2014).BluRay.1080p - Unrated Edition.mp4
 

That's it. The directory is right there, the filenames are right there. Everything follows the docs, 100%.

As said above, you have those files incorrectly named. 

For your movie folder named 

The Expendables 3 (2014)

movies within should be named:

The Expendables 3 (2014) - whatever, 

and everything after the dash is what you'll see in version dropdown. 

Edited April 29, 2023 by GrimReaper

[twhiting9275 11]

5 hours ago, GrimReaper said:

The Expendables 3 (2014) - whatever, 

Which is EXACTLY what it is named

If that naming structure throws Emby off, then that's an Emby issue, it's not a file name issue.

The extensions are absolutely following standards. Nobody is going to break naming conventions for a piece of software that can't even properly handle itself.

 

 

[Neminem 1518]

Ok lets break this down.

D:\Movies\Movies2\Plex\The Expendables 3 (2014)\The Expendables 3 (2014).BluRay.1080p - Theatrical Edition.mp4
D:\Movies\Movies2\Plex\The Expendables 3 (2014)\The Expendables 3 (2014).BluRay.1080p - Unrated Edition.mp4

This is your folder name: The Expendables 3 (2014)

This is your file name: The Expendables 3 (2014).BluRay.1080p - Theatrical Edition.mp4

But you have this in your file name .BluRay.1080p

Remove  .BluRay.1080p

 

The Expendables 3 (2014) - whatever, 

and everything after the dash is what you'll see in version dropdown. 

Does this help you ?

Edited April 29, 2023 by jaycedk

[twhiting9275 11]

1 minute ago, jaycedk said:

Does this help you ?

I'm well aware of what Emby expects, now, however that aint happening

Emby expects naming conventions to be broken, simply because they cannot properly handle multiple versions of files. Standards exist for a reason.

While I hate to use competition as an example (there's a reason I left that garbage), when it comes to naming standards, they did it right, as they SHOULD be respected and followed

 

[Neminem 1518]

Oh well.

Calm down, bud.

Just another user that's trying to help.

[pwhodges 2012]

On 29/04/2023 at 18:38, twhiting9275 said:

Standards exist for a reason.

Where is a standard for the naming of ripped or downloaded video files defined?

Paul

[Luke 42077]

33 minutes ago, pwhodges said:

Where is a standard for the naming of ripped or downloaded video files defined?

Paul

Obviously there isn't.

Anyway, the naming you're currently using for multi-version is something we can look at supporting. But for today's purposes, it's not currently.

[GrimReaper 4739]

On 4/29/2023 at 7:26 PM, twhiting9275 said:

Which is EXACTLY what it is named

You gotta be kidding me. 

Name your folder as your files or name your files as your folder. It ain't rocket science. Nor does it warrant so much whining. If you do not want to conform to naming guidelines, Multi-select>Group versions manually or use Auto-grouping plugin. Options galore. See no reason why Emby should be pampering to whoever comes with their own idea of how and under which conditions a feature should be functioning as it'll become a garbled mess and more likely than not break something else. 

[twhiting9275 11]

On 4/30/2023 at 5:50 PM, GrimReaper said:

their own idea

Except it's not "their own idea". it's not 'my own idea'. that's the point

The reason this standard was adopted (and yes it is a standard) is to make it easier to find subtitles through various providers, using file extensions

The file is named properly. Emby considers extensions part of the file name for this process, which it shouldn't be doing

 

Edited May 2, 2023 by twhiting9275

[seanbuff 1315]

5 minutes ago, twhiting9275 said:

The file is named properly.

Not for multi versioning they're not, which is what this is all about isn't it?

5 minutes ago, twhiting9275 said:

Emby considers extensions part of the file name for this process, which it shouldn't be doing

No it doesn't. File extensions are irrelevant for this. I suggest you re-read the documentation and others explanations, I have a feeling you still don't get it.

[twhiting9275 11]

1 hour ago, seanbuff said:

I have a feeling you still don't get it.

Oh, I get it just fine. Emby cannot handle this properly and requires individuals to break standards for their own purposes.

[pwhodges 2012]

1 hour ago, twhiting9275 said:

The reason this standard was adopted (and yes it is a standard)

What authority standardised this, and do you have a reference to the standard?

Paul

[Henkmeister 3]

Sorry to necrobump, but when I add a new version to a movie that already has 2, they become all shown as separate 3 movies in my emby catalogue?

Is there a limit of two versions?

[Luke 42077]

2 minutes ago, Henkmeister said:

Sorry to necrobump, but when I add a new version to a movie that already has 2, they become all shown as separate 3 movies in my emby catalogue?

Is there a limit of two versions?

HI, there is no such limitation. Can you please provide a specific example? Thanks.

[Henkmeister 3]

They are named correctly (?), but for some reason there are still two different entries in my library.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 21, 2024 by Henkmeister

[roaku 842]

10 minutes ago, Henkmeister said:

They are named correctly (?), but for some reason there are still two different entries in my library.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your workprint version looks like it's named differently than the others to me.

Edited January 21, 2024 by roaku

[js28194 36]

Yeah workprint versions is not named properly.  You may notice the period between The and Punisher

 

The.Punisher (1989) - Workprint.mkv should be renamed to

The Punisher (1989) - Workprint.mkv

 

Edited January 21, 2024 by js28194

[Henkmeister 3]

Thank you!!! Need to get new glasses.