Need Help With Forced Subtitles

[Luke 42077]

5 hours ago, musicmafia said:

Thanks! So you are suggesting the following settings for me (or do I have it backward lol)?

 

Based on what you've been saying you probably only want to be downloading forced subtitles.

[musicmafia 38]

5 hours ago, Dickydodah! said:

There are four extra plugins for subtitle downloading in the catalogue if you'd like to try them but I'd wait until you get to grips with your current setup first 

I downloaded the other plugins, easy peasy, and have already found more forced sub files! Thanks again for all your help!

[Spaceboy 2573]

just one example of what you can get in bazarr

as you can hopefully see behind, bazarr has fetched me english, english SDH and english forced for Air Force One. i don't know if it does some editing of the subs as it downloads them but i see no adverts - just the subs. once set up this is fully automated

[Neminem 1518]

Just one thing I need to add.

Bazarr only works if you are using Radarr and / or Sonarr.

[Dickydodah! 154]

3 minutes ago, jaycedk said:

Bazarr only works if you are using Radarr and / or Sonarr.

Whilst I was looking at Bazarr I was wondering if it would work on an already existing library. It looks as though it searches for subs that match the original filename and all my files have been renamed by Sonarr/Radarr. Obviously they are all in the Sonarr/Radarr database but would Bazarr find any matches?

[Dickydodah! 154]

I've just zoomed in on @Spaceboy picture and can see that the file has been renamed so it does seem to work. As long as you use Sonarr/Radarr as a "database manager" then Bazarr should work on DVD rips which I believe what @musicmafia currently has.

[Spaceboy 2573]

34 minutes ago, jaycedk said:

Just one thing I need to add.

Bazarr only works if you are using Radarr and / or Sonarr.

true - but radarr and sonarr can just be used as simple media managers. no need to use the full function

[Neminem 1518]

But all subs would be no the original DVD or Bluray when you rip them, right ?

So why try to download subs, that might not match, in one way or the other.

Edited February 26, 2023 by jaycedk

[Dickydodah! 154]

17 hours ago, musicmafia said:

I'm going from an old library of around 900 DVDs and blurays to trying to have everything on emby. Unfortunately as I was acquiring files, I gave away all my DVDs (which might have had rippable embedded subs, but too late now). I still have hundreds of blurays but no BR ripper at this time.

I think it was an error in the ripping of the DVD's so downloading is the only real alternative.

[Spaceboy 2573]

3 hours ago, jaycedk said:

But all subs would be no the original DVD or Bluray when you rip them, right ?

So why try to download subs, that might not match, in one way or the other.

i'm yet to have that problem

[rbjtech 5284]

1 hour ago, Dickydodah! said:

I think it was an error in the ripping of the DVD's so downloading is the only real alternative.

Both DVD's and Bluray's have graphical subtitles - so if you want a 100% guaranteed match of the original subs, then you need to do the work to convert them using OCR to text based subtitles.

It's likely somebody has already done this (hence the subtitle metadata providers) but of course the key thing is to match the subs to your version.  If you have removed/renamed/remuxed the source files - then this match will now be inherently more difficult because you have removed anything linking it to the original source - be it the media type (bluray version) for example - and a hash match is now out the question.

Subtitles have ALWAYS been a pain - forced subs especially, but tools like Bazarr do help a lot but they still depend on the quality of the metadata provided - if you have the source subs, then extracting them is normally my #1 option.

Edited February 26, 2023 by rbjtech

[Dickydodah! 154]

9 hours ago, Spaceboy said:

as you can hopefully see behind, bazarr has fetched me english, english SDH and english forced for Air Force One. i don't know if it does some editing of the subs as it downloads them but i see no adverts - just the subs. once set up this is fully automated

I have actually setup Bazarr today and I was amazed to find how easy it was. However I am seeing the adverts in the subs.

This is at the beginning of all of the files;

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00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074
Someone needs to stop Clearway Law.
Public shouldn't leave reviews for lawyers.

And this is at the end;

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Watch Movies, TV Series and Live Sports
Signup Here -> WWW.ADMITME.APP

The provider is Opensubtitles.

@Spaceboy Do you have a VIP account as that may be why you don't see Ads?

[musicmafia 38]

Thanks everyone. I'm enjoying your discussion and doing my best to learn from you all.

Sounds like movie file names are a big part of this, so the sub sources can best be identified and matched to your version of the movie and file. I wish I had known this months ago, since I have manually changed a lot of those movie file names. 

Many were changed due to the number of characters in the drive path and folder and file names triggering errors during backups. I would get errors saying some paths were too long. So, in an effort to make sure everything backed up properly, I began cleaning up and shortening some of the longer file names. By doing this, from what I've read in this thread, in the case of SOME of my files, is it possible that I may have removed information needed to match the right sub files? 

Before I set up my library, I read through the Emby naming guidelines and thought it said this was all that was needed:  \Movies\Avatar (2009)\Avatar (2009).mkv  or \Movies\Pulp Fiction (1994)\Pulp Fiction (1994).mp4, BUT from what I'm reading here, it sounds like ALL the source info is needed in the file name to help find and match sub files, such as \Movies\Babylon (2022) 2160p HDR10Plus DV WEB-DL x 265 HEVC 10bit AAC 6 Ch ? Is this the case?

 

[rbjtech 5284]

7 minutes ago, musicmafia said:

Thanks everyone. I'm enjoying your discussion and doing my best to learn from you all.

Sounds like movie file names are a big part of this, so the sub sources can best be identified and matched to your version of the movie and file. I wish I had known this months ago, since I have manually changed a lot of those movie file names. 

Many were changed due to the number of characters in the drive path and folder and file names triggering errors during backups. I would get errors saying some paths were too long. So, in an effort to make sure everything backed up properly, I began cleaning up and shortening some of the longer file names. By doing this, from what I've read in this thread, in the case of SOME of my files, is it possible that I may have removed information needed to match the right sub files? 

Before I set up my library, I read through the Emby naming guidelines and thought it said this was all that was needed:  \Movies\Avatar (2009)\Avatar (2009).mkv  or \Movies\Pulp Fiction (1994)\Pulp Fiction (1994).mp4, BUT from what I'm reading here, it sounds like ALL the source info is needed in the file name to help find and match sub files, such as \Movies\Babylon (2022) 2160p HDR10Plus DV WEB-DL x 265 HEVC 10bit AAC 6 Ch ? Is this the case?

 

Not necessarily - if the same info can be got from the source file (via ffmpeg etc) then you have not 'lost it'.  But if there is extra info such as lets say a Release Group or perhaps an 'Extended version'  in the filename (only) - then this info would be useful to Bazarr to determine the most appropriate subtitle (and thus given the highest percentage).

So I would not overly worry about it - Bazarr is still going to match a very high percentage of titles.

[Dickydodah! 154]

My filenames are quite minimal and they are renamed by Sonarr/Radarr. I've had quite a lot of forced subs downloaded through Bazarr today so I guess that it's working quite accurately.

I would suggest installing Sonarr and Radarr and then importing your current library. You [redacted] can use this setup to get your files renamed to a good standard, they sound as though they already are but this new setup will make it automatic. Once you get the idea of how this works you can add Bazarr to the mix and it can grab subs for you and name them correctly, again all automatically

By then you will be totally hooked and start tweaking all over the place

Edited February 27, 2023 by GrimReaper
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[musicmafia 38]

Sounds like great advice, but I went to the websites for Sonarr, Radarr and Bazarr and they all look above my pay grade. I don't even really understand what they are or what exactly they do. The Bazarr site makes some sense to me, but the other two I am completely lost. I tried digging around the Sonarr page and couldn't find anything in layman's terms that made sense to me. Everything seems to be geared towards users that are already well versed in the terminology and how all this works. 

I want to follow your advice and it sounds like it would improve my library and solve some of my sub issues, but honestly it's a little intimidating, not understanding those apps or programs and not having any experience with them. 

I guess my question is  this:

Where might I find a tutorial for dummies that explains, in the simplest of terms, step by step, what I need to do to use these apps? 

Thanks again! 

Edited February 27, 2023 by musicmafia

[rbjtech 5284]

Have you configured the open subtitles (.com) and forced subtitles setting in emby ?

If yes, then it is basic doing what Bazarr is doing but with a lot less flexibility.

#1 - Configure Open Subtitles in Emby

1. Create an account on Open Subtitles.com (not .org)

2. Emby Dashboard > Server > Open Subtitles

3. Enter Credentials

4. If VIP great - if not, I believe you get Ads on the subs - but these are easily remove with Notepad

#2 - Configure Emby Libraries

1. Emby Dashboard > Server > Library

2. For each Library - Subtitle Downloads (select language), Select Open Subtitles, Select Forced Subtitles Only, Select Save Subtitles into Media (if possible).

#3 - Run the Schedule

1. Emby Dashboard > Advanced > Schedule

2. Download Subtitles - Set to a schedule or run manually

#4 - User Options

Select to use 'Forced' subs in the client.  If they are available, then they will be automatically selected, overwriting any 'Default;.

 

To test it works - you can individually search for the forced subs - just select the movies and 'Edit Subtitles' - then select Forced and it should show the options available.  Download one and it should populate the srt file alongside your media file and call it <moviename>.<language>.forced.srt    Emby will take a minute or so to re-scan the item (force it by downloading metadata again if you like) and then the forced sub will work.

The schedule will just run this in the background on ALL your library - but be aware there is a limit of 100 downloads per day from Open Subtitles (no VIP) - so it may  take a while to populate them all.

Sonarr/Radarr/Bazarr are indeed 'next level' Apps - but for just getting forced subs, they are probably a little advanced for you at this stage I agree.

Edited February 27, 2023 by rbjtech

[Dickydodah! 154]

Whilst the Sonarr/Radarr/Bazarr combination are somewhat of an overkill for your current requirements they can be used to just do what you want. I'll try to give you a very simple explanation of each and how they integrate to each other.

Sonarr is a download/library manager for TV shows. [redacted] If you are getting the raw video files from elsewhere, DVD/BR rips or as in my case BBC iPlayer, Sonarr can also manage these using an undocumented method . Sonarr will take all the files you "send" it and rename them to an Emby friendly format and move them to the location you want in an Emby friendly folder format. It can even send a message to Emby to refresh so that the file turns up ASAP. Not too difficult to setup using the guide found here https://wiki.servarr.com/sonarr

You will see that there are other Arr systems in the family, Radarr (same as Sonarr but for Movies), Lidarr (for music), Readarr (for eBooks).

Once setup Sonarr can be mostly left to it's own devices as can Radarr.

This then leaves Bazarr  This is a companion/addon to Sonarr and Radarr. When setting up Bazarr as per this guide https://wiki.bazarr.media/Getting-Started/Setup-Guide/  you add an API Key (Application Programming interface) from Sonarr and Radarr. This allows Bazarr to read the Sonarr and Radarr databases so it knows what TV Shows and movies you have. it then goes off and downloads Subtitles. I'm a beginner with Bazarr but it seems to be quite straightforward.

The best way to try it all out is to make up a new test library or two in Emby and use Sonarr/Radarr on them by copying (not moving) files from your main library to the test library. You can then see how it renames and moves the files. for the test I would recommend using the undocumented "blackhole method" I spoke about above.

Edited February 27, 2023 by GrimReaper
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[rbjtech 5284]

30 minutes ago, Dickydodah! said:

Whilst the Sonarr/Radarr/Bazarr combination are somewhat of an overkill for your current requirements they can be used to just do what you want. I'll try to give you a very simple explanation of each and how they integrate to each other.

...

I would suggest removing all the 'download' elements to this post - Emby Mods will not want a post possibly promoting piracy.  using sonarr/radarr just for the file management is of course perfectly legal - so I would focus the details on that.  Just a suggestion.. 

Edited February 27, 2023 by rbjtech

[Spaceboy 2573]

14 hours ago, Dickydodah! said:

I have actually setup Bazarr today and I was amazed to find how easy it was. However I am seeing the adverts in the subs.

This is at the beginning of all of the files;

1
00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074
Someone needs to stop Clearway Law.
Public shouldn't leave reviews for lawyers.

And this is at the end;

30
00:43:13,305 --> 00:44:13,636
Watch Movies, TV Series and Live Sports
Signup Here -> WWW.ADMITME.APP

The provider is Opensubtitles.

@Spaceboy Do you have a VIP account as that may be why you don't see Ads?

i do have a VIP account, thats likely what it is

[Dickydodah! 154]

Hopefully I can cover the dodgy nature of some of these programs with this statement;

There are legitimate sources on Torrents and Usenet and I wasn't suggesting any piracy but that is up to the conscience of the individual. My use for iPlayer is legal as I have a TV Licence and I'm in the UK. Using Radarr to import and process DVD/BR rips is the main suggestion in this case. Without extensive research the copyright laws are a minefield however as long as you have paid and don't resell or share then you are probably OK but it's up to the individual to check out the law in their own country and for their own use scenario. I would think that the sharing of your media by allowing others access to your server would be considered very questionable especially if you charged for the access and a prosecution in the UK would be quite likely.

This is only my personal opinion and interpretation of very complex legislation and no one should take it as 100% correct. We don't want to turn this into a copyright discussion  

[musicmafia 38]

Again, thanks so much guys! I really appreciate you taking the time to help me. I will try and digest everything and will eventually do some testing as suggested. Thanks again! 

[musicmafia 38]

10 hours ago, rbjtech said:

Have you configured the open subtitles (.com) and forced subtitles setting in emby ?

If yes, then it is basic doing what Bazarr is doing but with a lot less flexibility.

#1 - Configure Open Subtitles in Emby

1. Create an account on Open Subtitles.com (not .org)

2. Emby Dashboard > Server > Open Subtitles

3. Enter Credentials

4. If VIP great - if not, I believe you get Ads on the subs - but these are easily remove with Notepad

 

 

When I went to this section in the dashboard, I thought it was asking for my Emby credentials, which I would enter and since it gave me no error, I thought it was configured and working. That said, since I've never created an account at open subtitles.com I guess I did not have it configured this whole time. Rookie mistake LOL.

Edited February 27, 2023 by musicmafia

[GrimReaper 4739]

15 hours ago, rbjtech said:

1. Create an account on Open Subtitles.com (not .org)

Shouldn't that be .org (not .com)?

AFAIK this still stands:

And my 4.7.0.11 with Opensubs plugin 1.0.31.0 is still querying .org (though my installation hasn't been online for abt. 3 weeks). 

[rbjtech 5284]

7 hours ago, GrimReaper said:

Shouldn't that be .org (not .com)?

AFAIK this still stands:

And my 4.7.0.11 with Opensubs plugin 1.0.31.0 is still querying .org (though my installation hasn't been online for abt. 3 weeks). 

Ah - you are possibly correct - I used the same account & password for both - so that may well be why it's working for me.  Good call.

If emby are still using .org (why?) then create the account on .org instead..