To complain about lacking TVnext progress

[gillmacca01 211]

It would be a shame for all the hard work that would have gone into TVnext, for it to be abandoned 

[unisoft 352]

so what's all the messing around then? is it the emby authority doesn't want to integrate yet or because a strategic change and no longer want it?

Faster channel changing alone looked ace - let alone adding any other features or improvements or support for other methods of tuning.

[softworkz 5066]

8 hours ago, gillmacca01 said:

It would be a shame for all the hard work that would have gone into TVnext, for it to be abandoned 

Definitiely. And who would want to work for a company that acts like this...

[softworkz 5066]

8 hours ago, Flippz said:

(any chance of taking tvnext elsewhere() if emby does not add it?) 

No matter how much more work I've put into it beyond regular work times, it's still not mine - unfortunately.

[softworkz 5066]

3 hours ago, unisoft said:

so what's all the messing around then? is it the emby authority doesn't want to integrate yet or because a strategic change and no longer want it?

I don't want to speculate publicly about potential motivations, but strategies...no, there aren't any.

[rbjtech 5284]

14 hours ago, softworkz said:

I've been working on something different during the past few months, a beta will be available shortly but it's not TV related.

 You can't dangle a carrot like that and expect to get away scott free ... 

[softworkz 5066]

2 minutes ago, rbjtech said:

 You can't dangle a carrot like that and expect to get away scott free ... 

I think I've mentioned it earlier, so you might be able to find it. It's just that as it's close to beta now, I didn't want to spoil it in a side note before there is an official announcement  

[softworkz 5066]

Just now, Flippz said:

Ahh i did not know you where an employee....

Not an employee but a contracted consultant.

[Raptor6L 29]

13 hours ago, gillmacca01 said:

It would be a shame for all the hard work that would have gone into TVnext, for it to be abandoned 

 

4 hours ago, softworkz said:

Definitiely. And who would want to work for a company that acts like this...

 

4 hours ago, softworkz said:

No matter how much more work I've put into it beyond regular work times, it's still not mine - unfortunately.

 

4 hours ago, softworkz said:

I don't want to speculate publicly about potential motivations, but strategies...no, there aren't any.

 

2 hours ago, softworkz said:

Not an employee but a contracted consultant.

Bloody hell, anybody would be forgiven for thinking that because they did not come up with TVNext, they don't want to implement it.

Somebody say it isn't so.

Chris 

[bungee91 133]

@softworkzthank you for sharing your honest and open feedback about this topic! Transparency goes a long way to the avid users of this forum and for Emby, even if it will likely piss off the man.

We can all feel your frustration through the examples and thoughts shared. Any dev that spent this much time and and forethought on how to design and implement this effectively with minimal disruption to the end user and the feature set it provides should be disappointed and frustrated as it sits unused or planned for inclusion.

Now that all being said, someone from Emby thought enough about the idea and to fund it. So, I remain hopeful it will see the light some day sooner than later.

However.... The recent poorly documented changes that impacted LiveTv for many people in recent beta's sounds as if it is a very separate direction that does not relate to or build up to implementing this larger change, which is unfortunate.

Alas... 

All I can say is, it's been a hell of an exciting day with all the notifications for replies to this topic. Practically Christmas time, however the gift boxes are still very empty. 

[softworkz 5066]

19 minutes ago, Raptor6L said:

Bloody hell, anybody would be forgiven for thinking that because they did not come up with TVNext, they don't want to implement it.

Somebody say it isn't so.

It isn't so. I had been tasked officially to do it. 

It just became a bit better than expected. Not as a surprise though, as concepts and progress were continuously documented.

[softworkz 5066]

3 minutes ago, bungee91 said:

wever.... The recent poorly documented changes that impacted LiveTv for many people in recent beta's sounds as if it is a very separate direction that does not relate to or build up to implementing this larger change, which is unfortunate.

Correct. It won't lead very far, neither work universally and reliably.

[arrbee99 1815]

So basically you can run your old TV install, add the new one and run together till any bugs are ironed out, then finally get rid of the old, all pretty seamlessly. Yes I can see why no-one would want that...

[justinrh 259]

6 hours ago, softworkz said:

I don't want to speculate publicly about potential motivations, but strategies...no, there aren't any.

This doesn't give me warm fuzzies about Emby in general.

[softworkz 5066]

6 minutes ago, justinrh said:

6 hours ago, softworkz said:

I don't want to speculate publicly about potential motivations, but strategies...no, there aren't any.

This doesn't give me warm fuzzies about Emby in general.

I was referring to the area of TV specifically.

[arrbee99 1815]

To me there's a bit of USP in this as well, or should be.

USP as in Unique Selling Proposition. Quite a good one would be, I'd have thought, 'yes but Emby has far and away the best Live TV implementation'./

I mean, its OKish now, but far and away the best, I think not.

[denz 501]

This is a shame I am going to try today a competitor not plex product that I heard it has faster channel change. If it goes well it will be time to say goodbye. I rather pay Emby than the competitor since I have been with Emby since day one. Lack of polished apps it’s really starting frustrating I am getting constant complaints now that I have moved from WMC. It’s like we have been using WMC for over 20 years how come this software is so far behind in features and ease of use.
 

Since you are consultant can you product be adjusted to work with the Emby fork. 97% of my Emby usage is just live tv part. 

[Lambtalk 44]

1 hour ago, denz said:

This is a shame I am going to try today a competitor not plex product that I heard it has faster channel change. If it goes well it will be time to say goodbye. I rather pay Emby than the competitor since I have been with Emby since day one. Lack of polished apps it’s really starting frustrating I am getting constant complaints now that I have moved from WMC. It’s like we have been using WMC for over 20 years how come this software is so far behind in features and ease of use.
 

Since you are consultant can you product be adjusted to work with the Emby fork. 97% of my Emby usage is just live tv part. 

As a consultant working on a contract basis for Emby, they wouldn't own the development work completed, Emby would. 

So taking that work and applying it to Jellyfin or any other product would most likely be considered both a breach of contract and theft of intellectual property.

[softworkz 5066]

Guys, there's no point in fantasizing about such things because I would never do that.

[TMCsw 248]

26 minutes ago, softworkz said:

Guys, there's no point in fantasizing about such things because I would never do that.

Personally I would never expect you to do anything like that (I believe you have integrity...)

so how can we get this “dual emby startup switch” for us minions?

And although I very mush prefer Linux I’ll test this in a Windows 10/11 VM ...

Thanks.

[denz 501]

No way would I expect that of him or anyone else. What I meant if he did it in his own time and wasn't paid for Emby. 

[denz 501]

I have tried the competitor product and it has one job and blows Emby away how good it is. 

The things that I loved channel change is under 3 seconds what a beautiful experience seeing channels change that quickly. Every change worked 100% not a single issue I must have changed channels at least 40 times. Closed the app and opened it again worked every single time. In Emby changing channels is a lottery some channels work some not at all you have to try few times for it to tune, tuning if works takes around 10 seconds. Picture is dull and it's not smooth it's hard to explain like it's not sharp when you watch sport. 

Picture quality is far superior to Emby it's vibrant, it's deinterlaced. 

When you click on a guide it asks you do you want to watch the recording or live. If you watch the recording you can skip. In Emby it doesn't do that when you watch a recording the skip doesn't work. 

It's very simple to use. The OSD on screen is minimal. 

 

On Emby windows client the tunning is slow but I never had an issue where a channel didn't tune and the picture is the same as the competitor client on Android.

 

What I don't like. 

It's ridiculously expansive for what it does and then I have to pay additional for guide data. So this is a huge drawback. 

I will keep testing in for a two weeks and then get my family to try it. 

It doesn't have option to add additional libraries like music and my Blu-ray files.  

 

 

[arrbee99 1815]

Does the competitor have a name ?

I find NextPVR good, but don't think its really a sharing thing (household or similar I mean).

[spaghetti 8]

I have live tv installed on my emby server it's just for looks only meaning the cover art looks nice the guide looks nice but no one in my house actually uses it. We all use tivimate for live tv and emby for movies and tv series only, live tv is just to look at only on emby without watching since it does not work good.

[kimmer2k 3]

25 minutes ago, arrbee99 said:

Does the competitor have a name ?

I find NextPVR good, but don't think its really a sharing thing (household or similar I mean).

not OP but Channels DVR is the best solution I found for Live TV. The big downside is that it’s a subscription only pricing model.