BillOatman 596 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Quote Live tv is running very well that is why less posts about it Well, that assumes people use live tv feature in Emby a lot. Not sure if that's true as there are far better applications for live tv out there. I personally use Tivimate on AndfroidTV for live TV. I setup Emby live tv for my remote kids to use occasionally, but that's it. We use Emby 99.99% for movies/tv-series and 0.01% for live tv.
daldana 122 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Not sure I get your point @BillOatman, just because you don't use it, we should change? I use Emby for Live OTA TV as my daily driver, and I'm just asking for an already completed project ready for public beta testing to be released. Why is that an issue for you, if you don't use it? 3
ebr 16169 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 9 hours ago, daldana said: and I'm just asking for an already completed project ready for public beta testing to be released Hi. That is not the case and that is detailed in this discussion.
daldana 122 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) Well @ebr, it seems to depend on who replies from Emby. You say it's not ready, but the person who developed it says it is and can't understand why it's not being released. Edited January 21 by daldana 1
ebr 16169 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 11 minutes ago, daldana said: You say it's not ready, but the person who developed it says it is and can't understand why it's not being released. Perhaps a few years ago but a lot has changed. When we are able to pick this back up, its going to take some work before it is even ready for beta. 1
daldana 122 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 So that answer is even more concerning @ebr. The project was ready "a few years ago" (your quote), but now it's not because management's decision was to sit on it? Very nice! 4
kikinjo 281 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 1 hour ago, ebr said: Perhaps a few years ago but a lot has changed. When we are able to pick this back up, its going to take some work before it is even ready for beta. 6 years, but monthly payments for premiere subscription including live tv are steady, and very stable. Why would you do anything about it, you already have the money, right ? 1
bandit8623 213 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 7 minutes ago, kikinjo said: 6 years, but monthly payments for premiere subscription including live tv are steady, and very stable. Why would you do anything about it, you already have the money, right ? the current livetv is pretty much exactly what jelly offers as well. kinda proof it hasnt been touched. if you are paying emby for premier for live tv... im not suggesting you use another option at all 1
BillOatman 596 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 11 hours ago, daldana said: Not sure I get your point @BillOatman, just because you don't use it, we should change? I use Emby for Live OTA TV as my daily driver, and I'm just asking for an already completed project ready for public beta testing to be released. Why is that an issue for you, if you don't use it? You missed the point. I was commenting that "Live tv is running very well that is why less posts about it" was possibly because people use other apps for live TV like I do.
daldana 122 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 You cherry picked that comment though. If you had read his subsequent post, you would have seen this; "To me it is broken it’s slow tuning is a huge huge downside". 1
kikinjo 281 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 34 minutes ago, bandit8623 said: the current livetv is pretty much exactly what jelly offers as well. kinda proof it hasnt been touched. if you are paying emby for premier for live tv... im not suggesting you use another option at all Reason why people here want TvNext is that livetv in emby is nowhere near stable, whatever devs and their minions on forums say. It is hit and miss depending on many things. It can work whole day and than one stream locks up whole emby server and you need to restart it. This is old news, there are hundreds of threads with issues. It is not usable if you want your emby server to be stable. Maybe if we pay more money for premiere than it would be stable ?
bandit8623 213 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, kikinjo said: Reason why people here want TvNext is that livetv in emby is nowhere near stable, whatever devs and their minions on forums say. It is hit and miss depending on many things. It can work whole day and than one stream locks up whole emby server and you need to restart it. This is old news, there are hundreds of threads with issues. It is not usable if you want your emby server to be stable. Maybe if we pay more money for premiere than it would be stable ? I 100% agree. The reason i wouldnt pay for premier to just use emby live tv and go and would go another route. I would welcome tvnext to try and if its good then premier may be worth it. not sure why emby wouldnt improve something people actually pay a sub for... Edited January 21 by bandit8623
kikinjo 281 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Ok in last beta we see some new feature, for organizing home screen, good move, much needed step, but if u ask yourself why are we waiting 6+ years for tvnext in beta, look no further, lead developer is responding to every post on forum that has any connection to home screen and he is announcing it in every thread And remember when ebr told us that Andorid TV app cant be worked on since they got no time, well there you go, they are posting like minions on every post instead of making a thread about it and go use time on some important stuff we wait years for. 3
BillOatman 596 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 (edited) 2 hours ago, kikinjo said: but if u ask yourself why are we waiting 6+ years for tvnext in beta Exactly. There are obviously reasons why this has not been released, and IMO it will likely never be released, stop waiting and just let it fade away. If it appears someday, bonus. Edited January 24 by BillOatman
bandit8623 213 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 (edited) 54 minutes ago, BillOatman said: Exactly. There are obviously reasons why this has not been released, and IMO it will likely never be released, stop waiting and just let it fade away. If it appears someday, bonus. for obvious reasons... ha like what? there are no obvious reasons. and luke said it was being worked on. so thats why people keep waiting. Edited January 24 by bandit8623
arrbee99 1815 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Obviously Emby has a carefully planned really really really carefully thought out very very very long range roadmap which we are not privileged to see. 2
pwhodges 2012 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Early in the 4.9 beta program we were assured multiple times that this would come in "the next beta program". Well, there were a couple of other small beta subprograms which kept the 4.9 moniker, but now they are clearly in the next beta program, as they've changed to 4.10. Of course, not all new things will be added at the same time, but if it doesn't appear in this beta, people who chose to take them at their word will be very disappointed indeed. Paul 2 2
BillOatman 596 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) 3 hours ago, bandit8623 said: for obvious reasons... ha like what? there are no obvious reasons. and luke said it was being worked on. so thats why people keep waiting. Really? How about being "in development" for over 6 years. That sound like something that's actively being developed and released "soon" to you? Have you ever developed anything for 6 years and have it not released? I worked in software development for 40+ years, it simply can't happen because it becomes too expensive. The mistake by team Emby, again IMO, was telling anyone about it. Edited January 25 by BillOatman 1
bandit8623 213 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) 1 minute ago, BillOatman said: Really? How about being "in development" for over 6 years. That sound like something that's actively being developed and released "soon" to you? you havent been paying attention then. i started using emby 3-4years ago? when staff say they are working on it why would i think they are lying? thats not called obvious bud Edited January 25 by bandit8623
BillOatman 596 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bandit8623 said: you havent been paying attention then. i started using emby 3-4years ago? when staff say they are working on it why would i think they are lying? thats not called obvious bud Hmmm lying is probably harsh. I believe they had every intention of having it become product when they started down that path. What actually happened, I can only guess of course. Edited January 25 by BillOatman
bandit8623 213 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 14 minutes ago, BillOatman said: Hmmm lying is probably harsh. I believe they had every intention of having it become product when they started down that path. What actually happened, I can only guess of course. ok then why would i think they would be deceptive. i wouldnt.
TMCsw 247 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) I'm not even going to search for all the posts that have said this is coming. 1 hour ago, BillOatman said: Hmmm lying is probably harsh. If it doesn't happen, it is lying (it was said after 4.9), so yes, 4.10 is here in beta, not in a stable release, so there is still time... What is missing in 4.9 other than TvNext? smart playlists (or whatever it's called) updated ffmpeg Other FRs haven't made it in (or haven't been promised as a priority), but some really should be... Edit: forgot about the authenticated ability to download images Edited January 25 by TMCsw 1 2
scb99 245 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 I assume 4.10 is the rest of what would have been 4.9 to avoid this game of 4.9.4 beta then 4.9.3 release (or whatever it was) so yes ffmpeg and smart playlists should be in 4.10. I wonder if we will move all the way to ffmpeg 8.1. Whatever, this will be a huge change just in itself for all the different environments. I gave up on waiting for tv next I think a couple of years ago now.
ebr 16169 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 12 hours ago, TMCsw said: What is missing in 4.9 other than TvNext? Unfortunately, we still haven't gotten everything we planned for 4.9 out and these are features that 100% of the user base will be able to take advantage of. So, those things are still going to take priority. We released 4.9 before these features because there were other improvements that really needed to get out to everyone. But, I'll say again, those of you that think TVNext is just sitting there ready to go into beta are incorrect. It will take quite some time - and even some re-thinking - before that happens. The landscape has changed and we'll need to adjust and a LOT of stuff in the server has changed that will need to be addressed. So, you may or may not see exactly what you got a peek at before because it may or may not make sense to do so but the main tenets of faster and more reliable live TV would be the goal no matter what. But, again, more widely-impactful items are still taking priority.
scb99 245 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 3 minutes ago, ebr said: . But, again, more widely-impactful items are still taking priority. The thing is, there will always be something more widely impactful, for the rest of time 5
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