To complain about lacking TVnext progress

[softworkz 5066]

5 hours ago, horstepipe said:

sorry, I don't have a channel in my lineup with that scenario. Just 1080i and 720p for the same channel.

During the earlier beta we haven't had such case (only aspect-ratio/anamorphic switches). When somebody has such channels: we have a tuner simulator which works in a way that users can record a full transponder, upload the recording and we can work with it as if it would be coming from a regular tuner.

But then, it's still not an easy subject as it depends on many different factors. If the streams are just getting filtered out and forwarded via HLS to a player like MPV, it would most likely just handle it without complaining. When playing in a browser and there would be a switch from progressive to interlaced, then it would fail because browsers do not support interlaced playback and a break in the stream would need to happen. By that I mean that continuity will be broken: Timeshift buffer ends and a new one is started and you won't be able to seek from before the break to after nor back from after to before. Also, having FFmpeg reconfigure itself on input changes is hardly feasible with all the hw acceleration cases.

I fear that the only sane and clean way to deal with it is to treat it as a hard break,  just like in case of shared channels where two or more stations have their daily time window and one stops while another starts (possibly with a different set of streams).
Due to all those constraints, not even the mentioned case with MPV player might be doable, that's tbd.

Eventually, the only improvement in this regard might be a clean end of stream in case of stream format changes like this.

PS: Not that it's unachievable, but not immediately at least

Edited December 26, 2025 by softworkz

[bandit8623 213]

1 hour ago, softworkz said:

During the earlier beta we haven't had such case (only aspect-ratio/anamorphic switches). When somebody has such channels: we have a tuner simulator which works in a way that users can record a full transponder, upload the recording and we can work with it as if it would be coming from a regular tuner.

But then, it's still not an easy subject as it depends on many different factors. If the streams are just getting filtered out and forwarded via HLS to a player like MPV, it would most likely just handle it without complaining. When playing in a browser and there would be a switch from progressive to interlaced, then it would fail because browsers do not support interlaced playback and a break in the stream would need to happen. By that I mean that continuity will be broken: Timeshift buffer ends and a new one is started and you won't be able to seek from before the break to after nor back from after to before. Also, having FFmpeg reconfigure itself on input changes is hardly feasible with all the hw acceleration cases.

I fear that the only sane and clean way to deal with it is to treat it as a hard break,  just like in case of shared channels where two or more stations have their daily time window and one stops while another starts (possibly with a different set of streams).
Due to all those constraints, not even the mentioned case with MPV player might be doable, that's tbd.

Eventually, the only improvement in this regard might be a clean end of stream in case of stream format changes like this.

PS: Not that it's unachievable, but not immediately at least

Then some kind of break.. then reopen stream automatically..

Not a just end stream...thx

[softworkz 5066]

46 minutes ago, bandit8623 said:

Then some kind of break.. then reopen stream automatically..

Not a just end stream...thx

I agree that this is desirable. Please understand though, that - while I can talk about TVnext architecture and capabilities at the server side - I cannot talk about or even make any promises regarding client player features.

[kikinjo 281]

TvNext in beta is great !

/s

[Flippz 38]

5 hours ago, kikinjo said:

TvNext in beta is great !

/s

Whaaat??? Is it out???

[pwhodges 2012]

I presume the "/s" is intended to indicate sarcasm.

Paul

[Flippz 38]

Just now, pwhodges said:

I presume the "/s" is intended to indicate sarcasm.

Paul

[denz 501]

It will never see the light of day we have been stringed along unfortunately. Wish it could have been released as open source so devs at jellyfin could implement it so I can say goodbye to emby but unfortunately stuck with emby as its best of ok bunch. Even if was paid plugin I think majority of us would gladly pay for it. Channels DVR is good but didnt like they dont have  windows client so went back to emby.

[BillOatman 596]

4 hours ago, denz said:

It will never see the light of day we have been stringed along unfortunately. Wish it could have been released as open source so devs at jellyfin could implement it so I can say goodbye to emby but unfortunately stuck with emby as its best of ok bunch. Even if was paid plugin I think majority of us would gladly pay for it. Channels DVR is good but didnt like they dont have  windows client so went back to emby.

That's the beauty of open source.  Get a team together and implement something like this in Jellyfin.

[denz 501]

It certainly is I contribute to it unfortunately this is beyond my level of  programing expertise. Organising a team when you have no idea it’s not a great start. 

[arrbee99 1815]

Come on people, it'll get here. Admittedly I've moved expectations from the end of the year (only 5 years ago remember) to the end of next year to the end of the decade, but its a comin'...

[gillmacca01 211]

I know it will be coming, but is it getting late in the day. 

In the uk, they are discussing about turning off traditional live tv as more and more channels are moving online, which COULD make any update obsolete and we will all be calling for better support for FAST  channels 

[arrbee99 1815]

16 minutes ago, gillmacca01 said:

I know it will be coming, but is it getting late in the day. 

In the uk, they are discussing about turning off traditional live tv as more and more channels are moving online, which COULD make any update obsolete and we will all be calling for better support for FAST  channels 

That sounds a fairly typical 'save money now, put all your eggs in one basket, what could possibly go wrong' type scenario to me. Or am I being cynical.

[gillmacca01 211]

Unfortunately I don't think the uk are the only ones.

 We have over the air tv, which they want to switch off and you would have to access the channels with the Internet.

Sky, who are our satellite TV service, no longer sells this service via a dish to new customers. New customers have to go the Internet route.

God knows how pensioners are suppose to be able to afford a tv licence and broadband, just so they can watch tv - another case of 'your old, you don't contribute financially to the economy anymore, so we don't care'

[arrbee99 1815]

Here we also have OTA, plus Sky (though I think they sold it to a local company) and satellite. Satellite is finally being upgraded to HD, hence (well only comments so far), about why have OTA HD and satellite HD. We don't have a licence though and most of the country is on fibre, but hopefully, we'll at least have satellite and fibre (and possibly OTA) for a while yet.

Still I don't know how international usage of Emby is, but there's still a fair few countries out there doing things the old fashioned way...

[emveepee 132]

NZ has indicated they will go all digital and US users will need DRM but the reality is that pirate IPTV and steaming are killing off OTA PVR. Emby will probably lose money supporting TV Next especially as a free "lifetime" service so why they haven't killed it off surprises me.

BTW @arrbee99 why satellite indeed you are actually losing service on the 29th https://freeviewnz.tv/updates-wip/ and rescans may be needed.  FWIW NextPVR with OpenTV for NZ will be available soon probably this weekend. 

Martin

[arrbee99 1815]

10 minutes ago, emveepee said:

NZ has indicated they will go all digital and US users will need DRM but the reality is that pirate IPTV and steaming are killing off OTA PVR. Emby will probably lose money supporting TV Next especially as a free "lifetime" service so why they haven't killed it off surprises me.

BTW @arrbee99 why satellite indeed you are actually losing service on the 29th https://freeviewnz.tv/updates-wip/ and rescans may be needed.  FWIW NextPVR with OpenTV for NZ will be available soon probably this weekend. 

Martin

Still an all eggs in one basket thing though. I guess the important people think we're safe down here though (think all cable cutting and mapping going on), its not like we even make it onto some world maps to begin with.

Thanks for the info. I saw it mentioned on Geekzone re those 'improvements' but we don't get OTA here, they took the transmitter away15(?) years ago, so satellite it is (well, plus fibre). Looking forward to this Open TV thingy.

[denz 501]

In Australia we just got HD on majority of channels the traditional tv will be here for another 20 years at least

[emveepee 132]

It is IPTV users that are keeping Live TV going anyway, and the aren't the ones push this thread.  I wonder if there even will be any new DVB and ATSC hardware for PC's? Probably most of us are using aging tuner and do need to think about it  LG even dropped OTA ATSC from there TVs in the US..  Hauppauge hasn't released anything new for years and Linux tuner kernel support is a mess so I keep a stock from ebay.

 

[bandit8623 213]

I'm still somewhat confident atsc 3 will get drm removed 

[daldana 122]

Where did you get that generalization that IPTV users are "keeping Live TV going" @emveepee? I'm an OTA user and yes, my HD Homeruns are older, but I'm waiting for the FCC decision before buying new equipment. In any case, a purportedly much better Live TV experience that is ready to go into public beta is being held for way too long! 

[emveepee 132]

True my comments are purely based on observation what I see is based on:

• the continuing increase in ratio of posts and logs on IPTV vs tuner-based here and on the NextPVR and Kodi forums,
• the reality that PVR has always been niche
• the lack of new hardware,
• very few new hardware users and where is the marketing and motivation of TVHeadend and NextPVR users to migrate to a commercial system lose Kodi etc.
•  in the States LG dropping ATSC, CableCard and clear QAM all but dead. Zapperbox and ADTH closed systems alternative.  Pro-business leadership at the top and in the FCC
• the decline of cable TV even with STB that are now superior in many ways to Emby (catchup, cloud storage and on-demand)
• Emby Webstreams competing with TVNext
•  PVR has always been niche.
• Lifetime subscriptions to Gracenote means the PVR market needs to grow to sustain old users.
• if it extended tuner support was profitable wouldn't Plex (worldwide) and ChannelsDVR (US) have migrated?  Would Microsoft have killed off WMC? 
• Jellyfin did not upgraded tuner support since the MB3 switchover, focusing on IPTV so "expensive" technical support is need here.

Martin

[denz 501]

European countries have recently moved to dvb-t2. This was a huge investment so doubt we will see any time soon closure and mive to iptv iptv will supplement it. Australia and it’s slow pace unlikely to see dvb-t2 for decades so there is still demand for dvb. Nextv will be beneficial to many of us. Live tv is running very well that is why less posts about it

[emveepee 132]

On 1/18/2026 at 7:35 PM, denz said:

European countries have recently moved to dvb-t2. This was a huge investment so doubt we will see any time soon closure and mive to iptv iptv will supplement it. Australia and it’s slow pace unlikely to see dvb-t2 for decades so there is still demand for dvb

Right and that's the issue with lifetime support.  There are also S2X and more multi-PLP tuners which may or may not even Windows or Linux support (or work with many current devices, so we shall see.  European support will require CAM/CI so it will be interesting how that play out.  I agree there is demand for OTA just not as much as it used to be.

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Live tv is running very well that is why less posts about it

Assuming you mean IPTV I think that is a strong case against TV Next.  If it ain't broken don't fix it.

[denz 501]

To me it is broken it’s slow tuning is a huge huge dowside. WMC 20 years ago could change channels in a second and here we are around 8 seconds. So we are going backwards. The only reason I am with Emby as WMC doesn’t work with newer windows and you can’t install win 7 on newer PC so you are stuck.Emby is the best of OK bunch.