To complain about lacking TVnext progress

[ebr 16169]

1 minute ago, GrimReaper said:

Hopefully, those are SmartViews. 

Correct.

[CharlesF 36]

On 11/20/2025 at 9:48 AM, ebr said:

We also said, multiple times, that may not mean immediately after.  After any major release there is quite a bit of time just tying up things that were not discovered during beta.  Then, there is also some accuracy to this:

In fact, one of the major features designated to 4.9 is not  yet ready so that is still taking priority.

well, based on history, 'not immediately' could mean three years as well...

[Flippz 38]

Why is smartview more important then tvnext? 

[daldana 122]

49 minutes ago, Flippz said:

Why is smartview more important then tvnext? 

Especially when @ebrsays it's "not yet ready", but TVNext has been ready for at least a year. I just don't understand why he and @Lukehave such an aversion to Live TV.

[ebr 16169]

7 hours ago, daldana said:

but TVNext has been ready for at least a year

No it hasn't.  There is still quite a large amount of effort for its implementation.

8 hours ago, Flippz said:

Why is smartview more important then tvnext? 

Because a majority (probably a large one) will use and benefit from this feature.

[Flippz 38]

1 hour ago, ebr said:

 

Because a majority (probably a large one) will use and benefit from this feature.

Sounds interesting, what is it?

[Dan_Austin 71]

Had to resort to Google as the ~7 passing references found with the forum search.  Seems to be a way to build collections/playlists based on customizable criteria.  I am sure I would use that at least once a decade...

[BillOatman 596]

4 hours ago, Dan_Austin said:

Had to resort to Google as the ~7 passing references found with the forum search.  Seems to be a way to build collections/playlists based on customizable criteria.  I am sure I would use that at least once a decade...

I won't.  That almost can't be what it is based on @ebr's comment above ...

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Because a majority (probably a large one) will use and benefit from this feature.

[GrimReaper 4739]

12 minutes ago, BillOatman said:

That almost can't be what it is based on @ebr's comment above ...

And it very likely is, considering SmartPlaylists have been the most voted Feature Request for quite some time now (and hopefully SmartViews will expand on that to include Collections, Home Screen revamp etc...). And No.1 Feature Request certainly (at least it should) carries more weight than any other (LiveTV improvements included) and is indicative of a wider userbase. Devoting development resources towards that is completely understandable business strategy.

I'm not debating validity of this topic nor I have anything against it, just providing some realistic perspective. 

5 hours ago, Dan_Austin said:

I am sure I would use that at least once a decade...

That's still once more than I'll use LiveTV (or have used it in a decade), so there's that. 

[BillOatman 596]

1 hour ago, GrimReaper said:

And it very likely is, considering SmartPlaylists have been the most voted Feature Request for quite some time now (and hopefully SmartViews will expand on that to include Collections, Home Screen revamp etc...). And No.1 Feature Request certainly (at least it should) carries more weight than any other (LiveTV improvements included) and is indicative of a wider userbase. Devoting development resources towards that is completely understandable business strategy.

I'm not debating validity of this topic nor I have anything against it, just providing some realistic perspective. 

That's still once more than I'll use LiveTV (or have used it in a decade), so there's that. 

Wow, I never would have guessed that!  Thanks for the info.
I don't use Emby LiveTV either.  I have it set up for my kids who use it very occasionally.  They mainly use Emby for TV shows, movies etc., but time to time want to watch something like a sporting event live.

Edited November 27, 2025 by BillOatman

[softworkz 5066]

1 hour ago, GrimReaper said:

And it very likely is, considering SmartPlaylists have been the most voted Feature Request for quite some time now (and hopefully SmartViews will expand on that to include Collections, Home Screen revamp etc...). And No.1 Feature Request certainly (at least it should) carries more weight than any other (LiveTV improvements included) and is indicative of a wider userbase. Devoting development resources towards that is completely understandable business strategy.

That would only be valid when there would be a TVnext entry in that list that would also exist for 10 years already and it would be ranging behind.

The SmartPlaylist entry has 165 votes. When you sum up the votes from all the feature requests that TVnext fulfills or enables (by providing the technical basis), then you get a result of 315, which is almost double.

And those requests are just a fraction of what it actually delivers in total. Eventually, it's not "a feature", it's a package of dozens of features. That there aren't more related requests in the Feature Request forum is surely also because these would have seemed too unrealistic to even post a request for, since the current live tv doesn't have a basis upon which such features could be built and delivered.

So please Grim, excuse me contradicting. I haven't posted in this conversation for a long time, but in this case, the relations need to be set straight. SmartPlaylists being a feature that is more requested (by votes) or has a higher demand (in general) is a view that doesn't hold true in any way. 

At the bottom line, the point where it gets wrong is when trying to compare these two things in the first place.

Edited November 27, 2025 by softworkz

[GrimReaper 4739]

1 hour ago, softworkz said:

That would only be valid when there would be a TVnext entry in that list that would also exist for 10 years already and it would be ranging behind.

The SmartPlaylist entry has 165 votes. When you sum up the votes from all the feature requests that TVnext fulfills or enables (by providing the technical basis), then you get a result of 315, which is almost double.

And those requests are just a fraction of what it actually delivers in total. Eventually, it's not "a feature", it's a package of dozens of features. That there aren't more related requests in the Feature Request forum is surely also as these would have seemed too unrealistic to even post a request for, since the current live tv doesn't have a basis upon which such features could be built and delivered.

So please Grim, excuse me contradicting. I haven't posted in this conversation for a long time, but in this case, the relations need to be set straight. SmartPlaylists being a feature that is more requested (by votes) or has a higher demand (in general) is a view that doesn't hold true in any way. 

At the bottom line, the point where it gets wrong is when trying to compare these two things in the first place.

I'll take your word on that, as I honestly have no time nor inclination to sum up multiple requests (thanks for doing that, btw - although I don't consider that to be a fair comparison, single request vs. multiple requests summed, as subset of users interested in LiveTV will likely have voted in multiple - if not all - related requests hence you're likely getting multiple votes per member; while not strictly apples-to-oranges comparison, more akin to apples-to-pears, it's still somewhat valid argument), as far as I'm concerned, FR forum sorted by number of reactions is a list which is relevant enough. And not being part of a Developer team, that does suffice. I'm also aware that the Dev team doesn't have that luxury and has to take multiple requests (and not only requests but topics like this which fall outside of strictly FR created) and take all that under consideration - and I'm actually glad I don't have to. And not either using LiveTV nor being familiar with what improvements would TV Next bring (or wouldn't) to various requests, I can only trust you on your word, as said above. But still, hardly anyone could convince me that improvement to a portion of server (LiveTV) would be more beneficial to Emby Server platform as a whole than current focus (which'll hopefully allow for Home Screen - literal front-face of Emby - revamp/custom categories/lists that SmartViews could theoretically enable in practically myriad of ways ). So let's agree to disagree and leave it at that. I know you've put a lot of effort in TVNext and I would sincerely like that it was implemented long ago (if it were feasible) as a token of appreciation for all of your work, but as it stands right now, in current moment in time, my vote goes for SmartViews - however unpopular opinion in this particular topic that might be. 

Regards

Edit for edit: Intention was not to compare anything - nor I was - as stated in my previous post, I was not questioning validity of this topic nor counter-argumenting it, just providing a reference to members unfamiliar with it and questioning why it was current focus/having priority/being worked on in the first place. 

Edited November 27, 2025 by GrimReaper
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[denz 501]

To me it’s embarrassing that we still have to wait 7 plus seconds to tune tv channel while wmc 15 years ago could do it within a second. Emby dropped the ball they could have had thousands of new users if the tv channel change is fast. Slow channel change is one reason I have never recommended emby which is a disappointment. In few months tennis starts and there is tennis access 5 channels and the wait to channel change is annoying as it can be. Emby team has gotten all the priorities wrong.  

[kikinjo 281]

TvNextTragicComedy

[scb99 245]

I understand what @GrimReaper has said. But Imo tvnext should be more like core functionality, SmartViews should be very interesting but more nice to have.

From my pov I have learned to work around Emby “as it is”.

Edited November 29, 2025 by scb99

[horstepipe 422]

Merry Christmas!

@softworkz

Will tvnext handle Resolution changes or a change from progressive to interlaced better?

Dispatcharr offers a stream fallback. But if main stream has 1080p and the backup stream has 1080i for example, the stream stops on client side and on one has to stop and restart the stream.

 

BR

[Flippz 38]

42 minutes ago, horstepipe said:

Merry Christmas!

@softworkz

Will tvnext handle Resolution changes or a change from progressive to interlaced better?

Dispatcharr offers a stream fallback. But if main stream has 1080p and the backup stream has 1080i for example, the stream stops on client side and on one has to stop and restart the stream.

 

BR

I did not know that, is it the same from 1080p to 720p aswell?

[softworkz 5066]

5 hours ago, horstepipe said:

Merry Christmas!

@softworkz

Likewise, thanks!

 

  

5 hours ago, horstepipe said:

Will tvnext handle Resolution changes or a change from progressive to interlaced better?

Dispatcharr offers a stream fallback. But if main stream has 1080p and the backup stream has 1080i for example, the stream stops on client side and on one has to stop and restart the stream.

I haven't seen any DTV channel switching between 1080i and 1080p during broadcast.

Which channel are you seeing it happening with?

 

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[horstepipe 422]

Dubious providers

[horstepipe 422]

5 hours ago, Flippz said:

I did not know that, is it the same from 1080p to 720p aswell?

I can Check that probably, I am not sure.

[emveepee 132]

I am pretty sure BBC mixes 1080i and 1080p frames in some OTA broadcasts.

[horstepipe 422]

Wandering whether it would be the server or the client who has to deal with that switch better?

[horstepipe 422]

One could transcode them all to the same format with dispatcharr for example, but this takes lots of resources and without a dedicated GPU this won’t work.

Edited December 25, 2025 by horstepipe

[bandit8623 213]

33 minutes ago, horstepipe said:

Wandering whether it would be the server or the client who has to deal with that switch better?

the server already does this..  if i have 1080i my gpu/cpu convert to 1080p.  

[horstepipe 422]

2 hours ago, horstepipe said:

I can Check that probably, I am not sure.

sorry, I don't have a channel in my lineup with that scenario. Just 1080i and 720p for the same channel.