toggling off Sports category removes almost everything

[justinrh 260]

If I toggle of the Sports category for my Emby Guide, almost all the programs disappear.

 

[Luke 42078]

Expected. All checked = no filter. As soon as you uncheck one, you're limited to programs that match at least one of those three.

[justinrh 260]

Explain again?  How does unchecking "Sports" leave only news?  Shouldn't !Sports remove only 'sports programs'?

By unchecking a category, the user is saying, "I don't want this category".

Edited December 20, 2022 by justinrh

[ebr 16178]

18 minutes ago, justinrh said:

How does unchecking "Sports" leave only news? 

Hi.  It is leaving only the ones you have checked - which are either news, movies or kids.  It eliminated all other programs - which would include ones with no category at all.

 

19 minutes ago, justinrh said:

By unchecking a category, the user is saying, "I don't want this category".

You are actually saying "I ONLY want these checked categories". 

Perhaps there needs to be an option for "No category"...

[justinrh 260]

Are my pictures not clear?  Did removing Sports remove only 'sports'?  No, it removed 90% of all programs.  Bug.

If I am missing something, someone please point it out in very clear language.

[Spaceboy 2573]

3 minutes ago, ebr said:

Hi.  It is leaving only the ones you have checked - which are either news, movies or kids.  It eliminated all other programs - which would include ones with no category at all.

 

You are actually saying "I ONLY want these checked categories". 

Perhaps there needs to be an option for "No category"...

no i think its fine as it is - having "no category" would be meaningless due to the amount of no category shows. the only problem is user understanding

[justinrh 260]

5 minutes ago, ebr said:

You are actually saying "I ONLY want these checked categories". 

Oh, my.  Then how does a user account for all the stuff that is not in a category in the list?  Removing 90% of everything just to get rid of sports doesn't seem reasonable.

Unchecking 1 should remove only that 1.  Everything else should display. 

Edited December 20, 2022 by justinrh

[ebr 16178]

1 minute ago, justinrh said:

Removing 90% of everything just to get rid of sports doesn't seem reasonable

Hi.  I think when people are selecting these categories they are likely looking to be inclusive, not exclusive.  It is showing only the ones selected.  To be 100% complete, I guess we would need an option for "Uncategorized".

[Spaceboy 2573]

1 minute ago, justinrh said:

Oh, my.  Then how does a user account for all the stuff that is not in a category in the list?  Removing 90% of everything just to get rid of sports doesn't seem reasonable.

Unchecking 1 should remove only that 1.  Everything else should display. 

disagree. most users would approach this using the filters positively, rather than negatively like you are

[justinrh 260]

4 minutes ago, Spaceboy said:

most users would approach this using the filters positively, rather than negatively like you are

I disagree  I don't know how the majority understands this UI.  But I do understand how software typically works.  Typically, when everything is already on and you want to remove something, you deselect it.

If the UI is to be understood as additive, then the guide would be blank by default so the user can include as desired.

However, in either case, the user can't get what is wanted because there is this black hole of stuff that is 'uncategorized'.  So if I want only Sports and 'uncategorized', I can't get it.

Interesting how two users can have totally opposite understanding on UI expectations.  At least I know what to expect now.

[justinrh 260]

11 minutes ago, ebr said:

It is showing only the ones selected.

This is not true.  It is showing those (4) categories plus the unknown categories.

[Spaceboy 2573]

16 minutes ago, justinrh said:

I disagree  I don't know how the majority understands this UI.  But I do understand how software typically works.  Typically, when everything is already on and you want to remove something, you deselect it.

If the UI is to be understood as additive, then the guide would be blank by default so the user can include as desired.

However, in either case , the user can't get what is wanted because there is this black hole of stuff that is 'uncategorized'.  So if I want only Sports and 'uncategorized', I can't get it.

Interesting how two users can have totally opposite understanding on UI expectations.  At least I know what to expect now.

my comment wasnt really based on the design, it was based on what i would want to use the filters for. and that is 9/10 times wanting to filter to just Sport, or Movies. i can't ever imagine thinking - i can't make up my mind, do i want to watch Sport or the uncategorised shows that make up 90% of my guide, its just not that meaningful IMO

[ebr 16178]

2 hours ago, justinrh said:

This is not true.

It is true as soon as you de-select one of them.  As stated originally:

18 hours ago, Luke said:

Expected. All checked = no filter. As soon as you uncheck one, you're limited to programs that match at least one of those three.

Can you explain your use-case?  I do think for completeness, perhaps we need an "Uncategorized" option.  However, I think most use-cases should still be obtainable.

Most folks would think "I want to watch a sporting event" or "I want to watch a movie"  or "I want to watch a news program".  I don't think many folks would instead think "I want to watch anything as long as it isn't sports"...

[justinrh 260]

Gotcha.  Sorry for the confusion.