4k remuxed content is freezing 74mbps file on 500mbps from ISP

[eeeeeesy 31]

4k remuxed/lossless content is freezing/studdering/slowmotion, 74mbps file on 500mbps from ISP. through nvenc on nvidia rtx 3090ti.

 

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Edited November 29, 2022 by eeeeeesy

[Luke 42078]

Hi.  Can you try sideloading our standard android app on the same device and see how that compares?

https://emby.media/emby-for-android.html

Thanks.

 

[eeeeeesy 31]

28 minutes ago, Luke said:

Hi.  Can you try sideloading our standard android app on the same device and see how that compares?

https://emby.media/emby-for-android.html

Thanks.

 

ok i just gave that one a try and im not experiencing the issue on that one. i would like to use the android tv app though.

 

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[Happy2Play 9780]

Personally I would think all Remote connections to be throttled somewhere as I connect to a gigabit server online but will not get more than about 55Mbps download speed with a 300Mbps home connection.

So sustained high bitrate items on a remote connection to me are more of a dream then a reality.  But everyone's ISP and routing shall be different.

[eeeeeesy 31]

13 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

Personally I would think all Remote connections to be throttled somewhere as I connect to a gigabit server online but will not get more than about 55Mbps download speed with a 300Mbps home connection.

So sustained high bitrate items on a remote connection to me are more of a dream then a reality.  But everyone's ISP and routing shall be different.

that doesnt explain why one app works while the other doesnt

[Happy2Play 9780]

Not an Android user so don't know if same player is used in both.

[Luke 42078]

1 hour ago, eeeeeesy said:

that doesnt explain why one app works while the other doesnt

The standard app is a little bit ahead of the tv app in terms of video player updates.

[eeeeeesy 31]

2 minutes ago, Luke said:

The standard app is a little bit ahead of the tv app in terms of video player updates.

but i hate it because the UI is too slow and laggy and the live tv guide is also way to slow to scroll and seems unfinished compared to the tv app

[Luke 42078]

Why do you think it's unfinished?

[eeeeeesy 31]

12 minutes ago, Luke said:

Why do you think it's unfinished?

because when i scroll down in the guide it stops scrolling to wait for the tv guide to load a few more channels. then scrolls then does it again and so on. then when i scroll back up and let go of the button, its still keeps scrolling. then it freezes and becomes unresponsive. then finally i can scroll again. and when i play a channel i press up on the dpad of my controller and the guide doesnt come up while the movie is playing. and i would prefer if either of the apps would show the movie playing in  the top right corner of the screen while im in the guide rather than the guide covering up the movie, like all the real cable providers have. or at leats an option to choose if we want the video to play behind the transparent guide or just have the video play at the top right or left corner of the screen with the guide below the video and the description of the movie at the top left corner of the screen like a real cable provider has.

[eeeeeesy 31]

and also for live tv the audio becomes out of sync on the first transition to the next movie with ETV in the emby for regular android app.

 

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i think this issue will be fixed by restarting all my servers

Edited November 30, 2022 by eeeeeesy

[eeeeeesy 31]

and look how far the needle movies before the guide catches up. do you guys not test the android apps or something? how are people using this?

 

 

 

and when i try to exit the app, the exit button is right next to the sign out button so when the UI lags every single time i highlight something i accidentally click on sign out. then i have to enter my entire 21 character password over and over and over every time i accidentally sign out when im trying to exit the app . so why the heck would the regular android app get updates first when no one can even use it. its not usable with live tv, the only thing we have to pay money for and we cant use it on that app.

Edited November 30, 2022 by eeeeeesy

[rbjtech 5284]

There is an entire thread with 1000's of comments as to why the current Android client is no way near the polished client the Android TV currently is.

I agree 100% - the Android client is slow, sluggish, unpolished, garish, looks horrendous on an oled in a dark room etc ..  and frankly doesn't warranty a place in my AV setup.

It's an ongoing struggle... 

https://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/89802-et-for-android-and-et-for-windows-ui-match-android-tv-app/

 

Back to your issue - the Android TV Client is capable of playing back 300-400 Mbit/sec media locally - I've tested this to death over years of usage on the client.  It has zero issues playing back 100Mbit+ 4K DV with Full HD Audio - again, used over 1000's of hours of playback.

So if you are replacing the 'LAN' with a 'WAN' you are introducing latency into the equation and that introduces variables that non-adaptive streaming simply does not cater for.

Playback buffers go some way to addressing this - but ultimately, if you cannot fill these quick enough - playback will stall.

If the Android App plays ok - then I suspect, it may have a bigger buffer.  You used to be able to specify the buffer size in the android TV App - but I think that was removed. @ebr

I don't allow my users to playback native 4k remux's for this reason - limiting them to 30Mbit/sec via the setting in Emby (to force transcoding/tone mapping if they try) but even though I have a 1000/110 connection, (the 110 up being the only thing that really matters, as I am the host/server) I would not want to go higher than this as you then open up other dependencies such as is their wifi strong enough ?, does their client HARDWARE accept this bitrate etc etc.       

Edited November 30, 2022 by rbjtech

[eeeeeesy 31]

4 hours ago, rbjtech said:

There is an entire thread with 1000's of comments as to why the current Android client is no way near the polished client the Android TV currently is.

I agree 100% - the Android client is slow, sluggish, unpolished, garish, looks horrendous on an oled in a dark room etc ..  and frankly doesn't warranty a place in my AV setup.

It's an ongoing struggle... 

https://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/89802-et-for-android-and-et-for-windows-ui-match-android-tv-app/

 

Back to your issue - the Android TV Client is capable of playing back 300-400 Mbit/sec media locally - I've tested this to death over years of usage on the client.  It has zero issues playing back 100Mbit+ 4K DV with Full HD Audio - again, used over 1000's of hours of playback.

So if you are replacing the 'LAN' with a 'WAN' you are introducing latency into the equation and that introduces variables that non-adaptive streaming simply does not cater for.

Playback buffers go some way to addressing this - but ultimately, if you cannot fill these quick enough - playback will stall.

If the Android App plays ok - then I suspect, it may have a bigger buffer.  You used to be able to specify the buffer size in the android TV App - but I think that was removed. @ebr

I don't allow my users to playback native 4k remux's for this reason - limiting them to 30Mbit/sec via the setting in Emby (to force transcoding/tone mapping if they try) but even though I have a 1000/110 connection, (the 110 up being the only thing that really matters, as I am the host/server) I would not want to go higher than this as you then open up other dependencies such as is their wifi strong enough ?, does their client HARDWARE accept this bitrate etc etc.       

yeah so it doesnt make sense for the regular emby for android player to get updates first

[rbjtech 5284]

15 minutes ago, eeeeeesy said:

yeah so it doesnt make sense for the regular emby for android player to get updates first

Agree 100% - maybe add your thoughts to the thread I posted, but in all honesty, I'm not convinced anybody is listening on the topic ...  

 

Edited November 30, 2022 by rbjtech

[justinrh 260]

14 hours ago, rbjtech said:

There is an entire thread with 1000's of comments as to why the current Android client is no way near the polished client the Android TV currently is

This is what bewilders me about Luke's question.  It is like he has never seen the apps.