Padding on manual recordings

[crusher11 1101]

If I have "start recording x minutes before start of show" and "end recording x minutes after end of show" set, is this applied to a manual recording, if I select to record a specific channel over a specific period of time? 

[crusher11 1101]

Anyone? 

[ebr 16185]

I believe if you create a manual recording for a specific time, that is the time it will start.  I don't see much logic in applying any padding.

[crusher11 1101]

I had the same thought, but I have it set to start recordings five minutes early and the one time I manually recorded, I set it to start five minutes early and the show didn't start until the ten minute mark. Which could be that it added the automatic five minutes to my manual five minutes, or could be that something ran over (very possible on a sports channel). 

[Luke 42080]

If you edit it after the recording is created, then yes it will apply.

[crusher11 1101]

Edit it?

[Luke 42080]

Meaning if you update the recording options to add padding after scheduling it.

[crusher11 1101]

Ah. Definitely didn't do that.

[Luke 42080]

Then you should not have any padding.

[crusher11 1101]

It's definitely applying the padding to all my manually-timed recordings. Confirmed it by digging into the logs and checking start times.

[Luke 42080]

Did you set any paddings?

[crusher11 1101]

1 hour ago, Luke said:

Did you set any paddings?

Not specifically for the manual recordings, but I have a default padding set. 

[Luke 42080]

Ok, yes I guess that's the question, should manual recordings use the default padding. @denz what did WMC do?

[crusher11 1101]

@ebr's initial response indicates it shouldn't be happening.

If I'm setting up a manual recording, I include the padding in my setup. There's no need to manually pad further. I had padding set up with my cable box, and manual recordings never applied that padding. 

[ebr 16185]

16 hours ago, Luke said:

Ok, yes I guess that's the question, should manual recordings use the default padding

I cannot see any logical reason to do that.  If you setup a manual recording at specific times that you just provided, why would you expect the recording to take place at any time other than that specific time?

[pwhodges 2012]

Because you put in the time you expect the program to be, but sometimes things shift a little?  The logic's just the same as using the guide, which is also supposed to be right.

Paul

[crusher11 1101]

4 hours ago, pwhodges said:

Because you put in the time you expect the program to be, but sometimes things shift a little?  The logic's just the same as using the guide, which is also supposed to be right.

Paul

No it isn't. I'm already manually setting a time, I can include padding at that stage. And I do.

As I said, my cable box never applied padding to manual recordings. 

[ebr 16185]

19 hours ago, crusher11 said:

No it isn't. I'm already manually setting a time, I can include padding at that stage. And I do.

As I said, my cable box never applied padding to manual recordings. 

Right. You are manually entering a specific time not relying on an external source so it is a completely different situation in my view. If one is worried about the actual time it is extremely likely one would enter a padded time already. 

[crusher11 1101]

Precisely. I use it for live sports, so I can pad the end by a few hours to make sure I get everything, a lesson I learned back in 2005 when my tape of game five of the NBA Finals cut out with less than a minute remaining in overtime.

[pwhodges 2012]

But of course it doesn't matter in the slightest whether the padding gets added or not - it is simply clearer to know which will happen and proceed accordingly.

Paul

[crusher11 1101]

Well, yes, but my suggestion is that the current implementation is not what I would expect, and therefore will confuse users. I have a five-minute default pad, and implement a five-minute pad with my manual recordings. Easy enough to just start from chapter two, since Emby auto-adds chapters every five minutes. Occasionally need to rewind a little, but nothing major. Instead, I was having to skip ahead several minutes.

Now, it's a live sports channel, so that can happen from time to time, so I thought nothing of it at first. But it kept happening. Took a while to figure out that it was indeed double-padding, and I needed to start from chapter three, or just set my manual timers to fire right on the scheduled start time.