Multiple Genres

[JuJuJurassic 49]

I think I'm being thick, but I can't find it anywhere.

How do you select multiple genres?

Say for example you wanted a Christmas comedy.

You can select the genre Christmas or Comedy, but not both.

How do I do it, or more importantly how does my wife?

Thanks

[GrimReaper 4742]

You can't, as Genres (and all same-property values) are ORed. Provision should be made for them to be ANDed. Bit of longish read here:

 

[JuJuJurassic 49]

That's more than I wanted ad probably most people, just a simple AND was all I was after "Comedy" AND "Christmas"

Would that be more realistic to implement?

Julian

[GrimReaper 4742]

17 minutes ago, JuJuJurassic said:

just a simple AND was all I was after "Comedy" AND "Christmas

As was I. 

On 9/20/2021 at 8:09 AM, GrimReaper said:

Well, here's hoping that at some point in unforseeable future, a mutually-exclusive checkboxes for OR and AND (defaulting to OR, of course) will find their way into filter/search dialogs.

 

On 9/20/2021 at 8:34 AM, GrimReaper said:

Checkboxes for conditional logical operators AND and OR, to be selected as needed. Currently, all filters are ORed. I have need for them to be ANDed occasionally (in Genre and Tag property).

 

[JuJuJurassic 49]

I think the aim is too complex. Just a simple AND would please 90% of the people, and (no pun intended) be easy to implement.

Thanks for your help and have a good evening

Julian

[GrimReaper 4742]

That was all covered at lenghts in the above topic:

On 9/20/2021 at 10:14 AM, GrimReaper said:

Tbh I'm not clear why is it OR by default when using same Genre property (on some properties it does make sense, like Ratings; on some it can be either, like Tags, depending on usage-scenario): you can just as easily filter Action and Comedy separately, this is just listing them all together, which isn't exceptionally (or at all, depending how you look at it) useful. So you have 3 ways to list ALL items of a genre: no filter, single filter on that genre or multi-genre filter - they all present same list of movies in that genre: all of them. In the meantime, there is absolutely no way to narrow that down and filter for specific genre combination, not even common double-genre, let alone triple.

And I'm still unclear why Genres aren't ANDed by default. 

[ebr 16185]

21 hours ago, GrimReaper said:

That was all covered at lenghts in the above topic:

And I'm still unclear why Genres aren't ANDed by default. 

Because that would make them extremely restrictive - producing zero results in many cases.

[GrimReaper 4742]

9 minutes ago, ebr said:

Because that would make them extremely restrictive

Exactly. Which is the intention, to get as few results, not as many (with majority being irrelevant/not applicable). 

Not to repeat myself:

On 9/20/2021 at 10:14 AM, GrimReaper said:

you can just as easily filter Action and Comedy separately, this is just listing them all together, which isn't exceptionally (or at all, depending how you look at it) useful. So you have 3 ways to list ALL items of a genre: no filter, single filter on that genre or multi-genre filter - they all present same list of movies in that genre: all of them. In the meantime, there is absolutely no way to narrow that down and filter for specific genre combination, not even common double-genre, let alone triple.

There's multiple ways to achieve current presentation. There is NONE for desired combination of genres. 

Edited December 7, 2021 by GrimReaper
Typo

[ebr 16185]

21 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

Which is the intention, to get as few results, not as many (with majority being irrelevant/not applicable). 

I really think in the majority of  (not all, but most) cases, that is not what people will want.  If I'm looking for a movie using multiple genre filters, I think it is more likely I want to see all Horror and Suspense films, not only the ones that are both Horror and Suspense.

[CBers 7451]

9 minutes ago, ebr said:

I really think in the majority of  (not all, but most) cases, that is not what people will want.  If I'm looking for a movie using multiple genre filters, I think it is more likely I want to see all Horror and Suspense films, not only the ones that are both Horror and Suspense.

Could you not add an option to allow the user to choose either "and" or "or" when searching?

So AND would be "horror and Christmas" with OR being "horror or Christmas".

Not perfect, but might be more useful.
 

[GrimReaper 4742]

10 minutes ago, ebr said:

I really think in the majority of  (not all, but most) cases, that is not what people will want.  If I'm looking for a movie using multiple genre filters, I think it is more likely I want to see all Horror and Suspense films, not only the ones that are both Horror and Suspense.

I'd say we tend to disagree there, but we're going in circles, as majority of movies doesn't have a single genre attached exactly because no single genre describes them. You can just as easily filter for Horror and filter for Suspense - I can't filter for Horror/Suspense at all. 

[ebr 16185]

2 minutes ago, CBers said:

Could you not add an option to allow the user to choose either "and" or "or" when searching?

Possibly but it gets complex in a big hurry.  Before long, you need an algebraic expression.

But my last response was solely to the question of why it is how it is now.  Given there is no option, we feel it is better to err on the side of too many results instead of not enough.

[GrimReaper 4742]

39 minutes ago, ebr said:

Given there is no option, we feel it is better to err on the side of too many results instead of not enough.

So can we pretty please get an option? As I'm still off a mind you're erring on the wrong side.

[JuJuJurassic 49]

is that Pretty please with sugar on top? 

[GrimReaper 4742]

Just now, JuJuJurassic said:

is that Pretty please with sugar on top? 

Yup, and cherry too.

[PenkethBoy 2068]

i'm with @GrimReaperwe should have less results as you are trying to find movies from a long list and if they have more than one genre - many do - then a huge list is useless especially on ATV etc where navigation is a huge click fest.

[rodainas 191]

Thats right at the end is just a filter the purpose is to refine results, so less results should be expected.