Emby Premiere

[Viktor Manuel 6]

Buenas Comunidad

Tengo emby premiere y no tengo 25 usuarios y en algunos casos me pide una suscripcion a emby premiere y no me deja reproducir el contenido

[Happy2Play 9783]

It is not about users it is about devices.  Do you have multiple users that use multiple devices?  

[Viktor Manuel 6]

Ya entendi, pero el limite son 25 dispositivos activos reproduciendo en el momento, o 25 dispositivos registrados en el servidor

Edited September 15, 2021 by Viktor Manuel

[Happy2Play 9783]

2 minutes ago, Viktor Manuel said:

I already understood, but the limit is 25 active devices playing at the moment, or 25 devices registered on the server

A Devices will hold a premiere slot for a few days, don't believe we were ever given an exact amount of time, then the inactive device will drop that slot.  

[Viktor Manuel 6]

existe alguna licencia de por vida que admita mas dispositivos de las que están en oferta

[Happy2Play 9783]

3 minutes ago, Viktor Manuel said:

there is a lifetime license that supports more devices than are on offer

There is an extended license.

[Viktor Manuel 6]

si eso lo se, pero no hay forma de obtener una licencia para mas dispositivos?

[Viktor Manuel 6]

Otra pregunta, el limite de 25 dispositivos solo es para las funciones premium, o es un limite de 25 dispositivos en general 

[Happy2Play 9783]

2 minutes ago, Viktor Manuel said:

if i know that, but there is no way to get a license for more devices?

That is a license for more devices (45).  But if you are looking for more devices then listed on the Premiere page you will need to email billingsupport@emby.media

 

2 minutes ago, Viktor Manuel said:

Another question, the 25-device limit is only for premium features, or is it a 25-device limit overall.

It is about features as you can uses as many browsers as you desire unless you are using premiere features on the browser.  Almost all specific device client/apps require premiere/unlock.

Emby Premiere Feature Matrix 

[Viktor Manuel 6]

Sabria decirme segun sus conocimientos hasta cuantas trasmisiones puede manejar un servidor emby montado en una maquina como las k oferta

[Carlo 4561]

No one can possibly answer that question because it's going to rely on how you setup your media and how much outgoing Internet/bandwidth you have.

If you have 20 streams of raw blue ray rips with 50 Mb bitrates and the remote clients are set to direct play these then you would exhaust a 1 Gb Ethernet or Internet connection and that could become your bottleneck.

If the clients or server is set to only allow 10Mb streams that will save bandwidth and give you 5+ times more possible streams but then you are forcing transcoding to happen  which can become a bottleneck before you run out of bandwidth.

If you are preprocessing your media to mkv files using the HEVC video codec you can reduce bandwidth needs for clients that can direct play HEVC and be able to direct play many more streams. But if someone is using a client that doesn't support HEVC (ie Chrome browser) or has a bitrate set less than the media it's going to transcode.

So it's really about how you setup your system and media, what bandwidth is available to the client and the limits imposed.

[Viktor Manuel 6]

Si entiendo todo eso, pero la pregunta es hasta cuantas reproducciones puede manejar el servidor de emby como software sin que presente fallos de software teniendo los recursos necesarios, mi preocupacion es la siguiente, una vez que adquiera una licencia que me permita manejar 100 usuarios por ejemplo, una vez que el servidor este manejando estos 100 usuarios se vuelva inestable 

Edited September 15, 2021 by Viktor Manuel

[ebr 16187]

1 hour ago, Viktor Manuel said:

If I understand all that, but the question is how many reproductions can the emby server handle as software without having software failures having the necessary resources, my concern is the following, once I acquire a license that allows me to handle 100 users per For example, once the server is handling these 100 users it becomes unstable 

Hi.  Again, there is just no way for us to tell you that because there are just too many variables but, for one machine handling 100 streams, they would all have to be direct playing I'm sure.

For any other questions on the limit, please see:

 Is there a limit to Emby Premiere

[Carlo 4561]

2 hours ago, Viktor Manuel said:

If I understand all that, but the question is how many reproductions can the emby server handle as software without having software failures having the necessary resources, my concern is the following, once I acquire a license that allows me to handle 100 users per For example, once the server is handling these 100 users it becomes unstable 

100 users is kind of meaningless.  You may find if you had 100 users setup maybe only 10 are actually active at a time or some people use your server only in the morning and others only in the evening.  Emby is not licensed per user but by devices using Premiere Features (from a license standpoint).

The best way to think about this might be how many simultaneous streams can you support at the same time.
If you don't prepare your media ahead of time or have to use bitrate limits (worse case) you will be forcing transcodes to happen in real time.  A single computer can only do so many transcodes at one time but for high numbers you would need a dedicated Nvidia GPU.

Just spit balling to give you rough numbers by playing around on my -7 server using a Nvidia GPU I've had roughly 20 active transcodes.  It's going to depend on codecs being decoded/encoded of course but that's probably the upper mark to expect.  Maybe 15 is more realistic.  If you were tone mapping 4K HDR to SDR that number will drop to around 5 transcodes.

So you can see this can become a bottleneck for general use.  If on the other hand you prepare your media to be able to play just about anywhere using MP4/H.264/AAC 2 channel audio you would hardly ever see a transcode with proper settings.  Even web browsers can direct play files prepared that way.

Your bandwidth requirements are actually easy to to calculate by looking at the bitrate of you media times number of streams. Example 25Mb DV media x 40 streams is 1Gb. If your media is 10Mb bitrate then 100 streams is 1Gb.  Of course you need to take into consideration packet overhead, NIC efficiency, etc so you need to allow a margin on top of this.

At a certain point you have to take into consideration how fast your storage system can deliver the files but this is easy to monitor.

Emby is built to be a personal media server vs a commercial media server.  These are two drastically different designs.  Emby can take just about any media you add to it and can transcode on the fly to make it presentable to the device playing it back.  It dynamically changes the media based on codecs need, bitrates, subtitles, etc. when needed.

On the other hand companies like Netflix don't do this but instead prepare many versions of the same file. A single movie or episode might have 12 different version of it stored on disc to use so you could say they "pre-transcode" media.  They also spend a great deal of time preparing the media at different bitrates.  Besides doing things like that when you connect to Netflix you are streaming from servers local to you running on CDN networks so the stream might never go over the internet as it could be fetched from hosted machines sitting in the Verizon, Comcast data centers that you as a consumer use.  Doing this type of thing keeps network latency low which is really important when you are pushing massive data.

So anyway I just wanted to follow up a bit to give you some additional info that you can use and think about.

[Viktor Manuel 6]

Muchísimas gracias, es muy eficiente su ayuda, estoy muy agradecido