Damien_ 24 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Well, and you also have to ask yourself what the true intent of this service really is. As much as you'd like to believe it is to "bring you the TV you deserve" it is much more likely there is a commercial interest (like gathering data to market to you) underlying that. Plus, the potential for misuse here is just way too high. Consider sports programming - this service could open up the entire US market to everyone. That is NOT something that sports franchises or broadcasters will allow to happen. Keep in mind that quote is from Hollywood/Big Cable's lawyers. How they monetize it is the rub; charging for it directly leads to a different argument (like Aereo) and whether they can charge to deliver content they dont pay for/produce. I think most of us know that if you get something for free on the internet, most of the time we're going to be the product. That said, as far as I can tell you dont even have to register your email to use the service. Whatever data they're collecting on the backend I'd consider to be fairly reasonable by today's standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHSPVR 119 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) Well, and you also have to ask yourself what the true intent of this service really is. As much as you'd like to believe it is to "bring you the TV you deserve" it is much more likely there is a commercial interest (like gathering data to market to you) underlying that. Plus, the potential for misuse here is just way too high. Consider sports programming - this service could open up the entire US market to everyone. That is NOT something that sports franchises or broadcasters will allow to happen. There going about it all wrong not only did start geo-blocking even one but it one thing for out side the US but they also started DEMAND “donation” or they cut your service after 20 minutes and service only work if sign so there collect data that not how non profit organizations works even PBS doesn't work like that Edited July 31, 2019 by SHSPVR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14912 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 even PBS doesn't work like that PBS is funded by Uncle Sam but, to me, this looks like a commercial enterprise of some sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHSPVR 119 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 PBS is funded by Uncle Sam but, to me, this looks like a commercial enterprise of some sort. It not all funded by Uncle Sam see below CPB is a private nonprofit corporation created and funded by the federal government and is the steward of federal funding for public media. CPB does not produce or distribute programs, nor does it own, control or operate any broadcast stations. PBS is a private, nonprofit media enterprise owned by its member public television stations. PBS distributes programming to nearly 350 locally owned and operated public television stations across the country and is funded principally by these member stations and by CPB. NPR is an award-winning, nonprofit organization that produces and distributes news, information, and cultural programming across broadcast and digital platforms. Launched in 1970 as a radio network by a group of 90 public radio stations, NPR today has 264 member stations that, as independent entities, own and operate 989 stations nationwide and reach more than 36 million people every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHSPVR 119 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) Keep in mind that quote is from Hollywood/Big Cable's lawyers. How they monetize it is the rub; charging for it directly leads to a different argument (like Aereo) and whether they can charge to deliver content they dont pay for/produce. I think most of us know that if you get something for free on the internet, most of the time we're going to be the product. That said, as far as I can tell you dont even have to register your email to use the service. Whatever data they're collecting on the backend I'd consider to be fairly reasonable by today's standards. Where do live and have try your self right now Edited July 31, 2019 by SHSPVR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien_ 24 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) Where do live and have try your self right now I tried it for 5 minutes. Today was the first time i'd heard of it but it seems like a neat service. I get all these stations via OTA but seems kinda cool It not all funded by Uncle Sam see below CPB is a private nonprofit corporation created and funded by the federal government and is the steward of federal funding for public media. CPB does not produce or distribute programs, nor does it own, control or operate any broadcast stations. PBS is a private, nonprofit media enterprise owned by its member public television stations. PBS distributes programming to nearly 350 locally owned and operated public television stations across the country and is funded principally by these member stations and by CPB. NPR is an award-winning, nonprofit organization that produces and distributes news, information, and cultural programming across broadcast and digital platforms. Launched in 1970 as a radio network by a group of 90 public radio stations, NPR today has 264 member stations that, as independent entities, own and operate 989 stations nationwide and reach more than 36 million people every week. It's not even mostly funded by Uncle Sam. Tax dollars account for <10% of both NPR and PBS gross revenue. Edited July 31, 2019 by meatball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jspanitz 7 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Not sure if there has been any movement on this but going back quite a bit, Tivo / Locast became a thing, so I'm assuming Emby / Locast could as well. https://www.fiercevideo.com/video/locast-launches-tivo-app They are up to 22 markets now with over 40% of the US covered. More being added every few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smills 13 Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) Locast integration in Emby is still something I would love to see. The continue to grow and just saw today that they added Minneapolis. Since Youtube TV raised it's prices the popularity of Locast has risen. I run Channels DVR on my same machine as my Emby Server. Channels supports Locast as a tuner quite well. Then I setup Channels as a M3U tuner source for Emby and that works well. The downside here is that double the io on the serve with both Channels and Emby have it handle the Locast streams. So why not just watch Locast in Channels and forget about Emby support? I simply really prefer the Emby UI particularly with my larger media library. Edited August 11, 2020 by smills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smills 13 Posted August 18, 2020 Author Share Posted August 18, 2020 I read this article today. It might be a solution for some people. I have NOT tried it.https://diyfuturism.com/index.php/2020/08/16/plex-locast-recording-local-tv-without-the-antenna/ It appears as if it i they are using an app called "locast2plex" to basically present locast to plex as if it was an HDHomerun. https://github.com/tgorgdotcom/locast2plex Evidently there is a Locast API since there is a statement there on the locast2plex git "Perhaps we can investigate getting EPG data through locast later, as the API supports it." But the Emby EPG does a great job of providing for everything that locast provides for me. Reading on the git it looks like it can be configured to run as a windows service with NSSM (the way I currently run my Emby server) and that it can emulate 4 tuner HDHomerun(quatro) Since (as I mentioned earlier) I use ChannelsDVR to integrate with locast and TVEverywhere and then provide those "tuners" to Emby I currently do not have a need for this. But still, if Emby would support Locast and TVE I could get rid of ChannelsDVR (also a good product). Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37062 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 I'm sure it could be done now using locast2plex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 @smills Have you tried it yet? If so is there a limit to how many channels you can use at one time? Have you tried it through a VPN for other markets? How hard was the setup? I'm kinda of curious how well this works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smills 13 Posted August 19, 2020 Author Share Posted August 19, 2020 Locast allows 4 streams at once. But for something like this I would think a big caveat is the available horsepower on your server. Typically when you are viewing you are watching one stream at a time so whatever device you are viewing on only has to handle one stream but the server you are running your locast2plex on might have to handle multiple streams at once and you need to make sure you don't get resource constrained. I have not tried it yet. As I indicated I am basically already doing this with ChannelsDVR which has built-in locast and TVEverywhere support and can then present it's tuners as M3U tuners for other software. I plan on giving it a try when I get around to it but not sure when that will be. I am running my server on Win10 and it looks like a pretty straight forward install/setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy 735 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 minute ago, smills said: Locast allows 4 streams at once. But for something like this I would think a big caveat is the available horsepower on your server. Typically when you are viewing you are watching one stream at a time so whatever device you are viewing on only has to handle one stream but the server you are running your locast2plex on might have to handle multiple streams at once and you need to make sure you don't get resource constrained. I have not tried it yet. As I indicated I am basically already doing this with ChannelsDVR which has built-in locast and TVEverywhere support and can then present it's tuners as M3U tuners for other software. I plan on giving it a try when I get around to it but not sure when that will be. I am running my server on Win10 and it looks like a pretty straight forward install/setup. Let's just assume for the sake of argument that my server can handle multiple streams. @cayars are you going to give this a try? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Probably, maybe later today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smills 13 Posted August 19, 2020 Author Share Posted August 19, 2020 I tried it real quick during my lunch break. Seems to work. On WIndows10 same system as my Emby server is running. Downloaded and installed python 2.7 executed from a terminal command line per the instructions on github In Emby setup a live TV source. Did not detect this so set it as a HDHomerun on localhost:6077 When I tried to watch a stream it tried and failed because it could not find ffmpeg. So I went an added my ffmpeg location to my system PATH variable and restarted the command window and then it worked just fine. Did not try to use the emby bundled ffmpeg but used another recent build. Total setup time maybe 10 minutes. I already have my local OTA EPG guide data setup for locast via channelsdvr so I didn;t have to spend any time setting up guide data - Emby appeared to map it all correctly. Seems to work and i am able to watch the stream from locast. Seems be be using very little additional resources on my system. I have not tried recording or watching for any significant duration to comment on stability. Have not tried running it as a service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Thanks @smills Are you a Locast donator? OK I guess 10 minutes is the current time to top. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smills 13 Posted August 19, 2020 Author Share Posted August 19, 2020 @cayars I am a locast supporter. I use locast for my local channels everyday. Works very well for me. I also have an HDHomerun (actually 2 of them) to use as a backup if my broadband is down. Why locast? First, I believe in what they are doing and want them to keep doing it. Second I use the locast preferentially over the HDHomerun because I live in a somewhat fringe area and dont get great reception on all the channels in my metro area so I get better quality on a lot of the streams via locast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy 735 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Seems something that @softworkz and @Luke might want to look into.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all4dom 73 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 I would love to have my locals stream through emby. My network broadcast fee keeps going up with spectrum & I have only a small streaming package including my network channels. Hopefully if this is done emby dvr would work recording the shows? Maybe 1 day even beu g able to access some free and or paid subscription sites through emby. I hate the fire TV interface & I read here the same type of setup is coming to. Roku soon. That's a shame because the roku right now has the cleanest ui out there. I hope you guys can do.this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37062 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 You can probably already do it using that locast2plex tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all4dom 73 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 I have no clue how to do that. Would I be able to stream locast through emby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37062 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Well i haven't tried it myself, but it makes locast appear like an HD Homerun which you can then import into Emby Live TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all4dom 73 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 I see someone posted someone posted some instructions above so I will give it a try later this week but would have been great if it were included in emby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smills 13 Posted August 19, 2020 Author Share Posted August 19, 2020 For those looking to try this on Windows here is the post on github briefly describing setting it up to run as a service via NSSM. https://github.com/tgorgdotcom/locast2plex/issues/33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smills 13 Posted August 19, 2020 Author Share Posted August 19, 2020 FYI, tried it on a raspberry Pi4 4GB running Raspbian Buster that already had ffmpeg and python installed. cd to directory where I want to install locast2plex git clone https://github.com/tgorgdotcom/locast2plex.git cd into locast2plex directory that is created by git execute locast2plex from commandline with: Quote python main.py -u:b.scott.mills@gmail.com -p:4theTv --debug --addy:192.168.2.10 --port:6077 then setup the source in Emby as a HDHR on that IP and port. It just works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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