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#21 Luke OFFLINE  

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Posted 12 June 2019 - 03:33 PM

I understand but the first episode does not mean that the entire play queue will be the same.



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Posted 12 June 2019 - 03:49 PM

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No "seed" on the random. It uses the OS to build random. It sorta sucks...

 

https://stackoverflo...-seed-in-sqlite

2nd answer is where the image above is from.

 

 

Without a way to "seed" random with unixtime you can't get true random. It will always be the same "random" numbers in the same predictable sequence every single time.

 

On the BNN app on Roku I used to let the Roku itself dictate random. It supports seeding random and it also shuffled the list 3x to obtain that random. 3 is my favorite number. Now on the Roku we let the server do random and random it isn't.  :)

 

@Luke maybe after the server gives back random() the apps should shuffle this list on top? that would provide a more random beginning/middle/end (even if the data is the same) and give a better impression of random. The apps can seed their random on unixtime and give different shuffles depending on time. Time is never the same moment.


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Posted 12 June 2019 - 04:17 PM

I understand but the first episode does not mean that the entire play queue will be the same.

 

and sometimes i noticed there are the same follow ups, while others will never get played



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Posted 03 July 2019 - 11:56 AM

any progess/decisions made?

 

that's a real pita



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Posted 03 July 2019 - 01:49 PM

I would suggest trying again with the next release. Let's see if that helps. thanks.



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Posted 03 July 2019 - 01:58 PM

next release of what?



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Posted 11 July 2019 - 09:44 AM

next release of what?

 

Since this is the general section of the community, next means the next stable release (4.2).



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Posted 11 July 2019 - 04:02 PM

so you mean the server and not the app, in which forum subsection we are currently in



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Posted 08 September 2019 - 05:09 AM

should this already been sorted out?

cause i have the feeling that not

anyone can confirm?



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Posted 08 September 2019 - 01:22 PM

I made some adjustments for this in the 4.2 release.

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 08:51 AM

I made some adjustments for this in the 4.2 release.

 

I have been listening via the TuneIn plugin lately and didn't notice this. Since I have been vocal in the past it was only right to try it and it does seem I am hearing songs that I had even forgot were in my library so the adjustments so far do appear to have improved the 'randomness' of shuffle from the top level ( I am currently listening via Theater on my PC desktop).  

 

Thank you Luke



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Posted 11 September 2019 - 12:42 PM

Thanks for the feedback.



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Posted 21 September 2019 - 07:57 AM

I made some adjustments for this in the 4.2 release.

don't see much improvements on watching multiple random episodes of a series on ET



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Posted 30 October 2019 - 12:17 PM

its a bit better, but i still see that some episodes get played much more often than others


Edited by daedalus, 30 October 2019 - 12:19 PM.


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 05:54 PM

its a bit better, but i still see that some episodes get played much more often than others

Indeed. And they play in the same order as before.

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Posted 30 October 2019 - 06:24 PM

Another note of support for the lack of randomness in shuffle

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 03:49 PM

so two month now, since the "last" insufficient adjustment, how is this going on?

cause it's still very annoying <_<



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Posted 17 November 2019 - 02:34 PM

I shuffled the big bang theory twice in the last couple of days. Watched maybe 5 shows the first day and the second day I was offered 2 of those 5 as the 1st and 3rd episodes in the second day.

Not at all random

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