puithove 208 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I use Flirc.TV devices to map my remote to keyboard commands. I had previously mapped "Back" to the ESC key because using BackSpace gets you into a situation where in input dialogs, Backspace would want to only be Backspace to delete text instead of backing out of the dialog. Now, very recently, ET has stopped responding to the ESC key at all. Was this an intentional change? Is there a reason not to have ESC work as "Back"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puithove 208 Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 FWIW, ESC is still working in the UWP version, though I haven't opened it in a while, so it might not have synced the web components yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoutingMan 95 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I was confused by this too. I have to update my remote control's programming. It's weird to have such an important ui change pushed out with no warning or notice to the user. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denz 426 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I had to change the settings in pi to go back but it still has the same issue you keep getting the log in screen which gets annoying it should be made the only way to get to the log in screen is through the person icon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37219 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Thanks @@denz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37219 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I've pushed 2.5.40 to resolve this, thanks for the report. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puithove 208 Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 Thanks Luke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denz 426 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) Thanks Luke for restoring but again it is the same issue pressing back takes me to the login screen which doesn't look right. I know I shouldn't be pressing it but neither should the log in screen appear because I wasn't in the log in screen before I got to the movies section. If I press back here it should A do nothing or B take me to the home screen which is live tv. The log in screen shouldn't appear when I press back from the above screen. Edited March 13, 2017 by denz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37219 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 If you press back on home then it is expected to see that overlay menu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denz 426 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I can accept that if I was at home I assume home is Live Tv tab in my example but as you can see on the picture I was in movies tab. I still say the only way you should see that screen is when you click on the user icon not pressing some key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37219 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 What would you expect back to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denz 426 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) To take you to the screen that you were in before exactly what it does now when you are in a tv guide pressing back takes you to the live tv screen when you go to a detail screen pressing back takes you to the previous screen just I don't think it is correct that when you press it again to take you to the log in screen when you were never in the log in screen. On my pi I think I was only once in the setting screen to set up language and that was months ago but because I keep pressing back key I keep getting the screen to go in settings very frequently which is frustrating to say the least. In WMC if i am watching tv and press back it brings a overlay of main menu if i press guide it takes me to the guide press back takes me to live tv. If i am not watching tv and i click back all i get is a ding sound. That is proper behaviour as i said above when i am in movies main screen pressing back should do nothing and this is the same behaviour i would be expecting in the other tabs. I am surprised that many users don't have this issue i only started to find it frustrating when i started to use emby more and more but thought it was a bug. Edited March 13, 2017 by denz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puithove 208 Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 I do throw a curse or two out when I by reflex hit "back" and it pops up that overlay. When I started using ET, I saw it as just something I'd need to get used to - a behavior change on my part. However, months later, I still find it occasionally frustrating. So I'm with denz on this one. I do think having it under the user icon is good. If there is nothing on the stack to go "back" to, then back should do nothing - and this should always be on the home screen which is where you open the stack when you launch the app. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37219 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I guess why do hit back in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latchmor 584 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I guess why do hit back in the first place? Yeah I was thinking the same. I guess this doesn't bother me as I'm used to using Emby for WMC and I know to not hammer back, back, back... or I'll end up at WMC menu which would be annoying. Just what you are used to I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denz 426 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I guess why do hit back in the first place? I can pose the same question why does the log menu appear pressing back as it is not consistent with what back does. To me it is a wrong implementation and pressing keys accidently should not bring that menu up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37219 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Maybe the issue is just that we went "cheap" and re-used the same menu that you see when clicking the user icon in the top right. I think if we had given it a slightly different look and with a title like "Confirm Exit" or something to that effect, then this probably would have never even come up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoutingMan 95 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 To me, it's different from how most "devices" behave: On an iPhone, pressing the Home button while on the home screen does nothing. It doesn't bring up the settings app or offer to power off the device On a TiVo, pressing the TiVo button once at the basic menu either does nothing or toggles over to LiveTV. It doesn't bring up a menu to enter Sleep mode. I don't know that I feel that it should be changed. But I'm still surprised when the overlay menu for settings / exit appears...and I frequently hit back too many times getting back to the top menu. But another exit button press drops back out of that menu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoutingMan 95 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (changed "Menu" button on remote to "Del/Back" in FLIRC and Emby is remote controlled again! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37219 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 To me, it's different from how most "devices" behave: On an iPhone, pressing the Home button while on the home screen does nothing. It doesn't bring up the settings app or offer to power off the device You're not pressing the Home button, you're pressing the back button. If you press the home button on the Emby Theater home screen, you will also find that it does nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoutingMan 95 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 You're not pressing the Home button, you're pressing the back button. If you press the home button on the Emby Theater home screen, you will also find that it does nothing. Going "back" to exit a Movie screen to the Movie Library, and from Movie Library to Home screen are frequent and normal actions by the user. Normal usage is to navigate within the "app" or "10-ft" interface to find and watch movies and shows. Up and down. But going to Exit / Quit the app or to modify Settings: these are not regular activities. Ideally, Once Settings are configuring, they never need to be accessed again for an extended durations (weeks, months...). Ideally, the Emby Theater app is the interface to a device and hopefully can run stable and without being exited for days, weeks, months... This is the mental model: normal navigation keys for going up and down Emby Theater's menu hierarchy shouldn't pop up the screen to Quit the app or modify Settings. It's not part of a normal, relaxing on the couch and watching TV flow. That's where my head is at. I can accommodate the way it works. But I think it might be a subtle improvement to change the way "back" or "escape" works. Others might disagree. I'd be interested in how others view this or how you use the app and why you find the current model preferred. After doing some searching...I'll try some of these other keys to see how they work. Maybe the Alt-b doesn't bring up the Quit/User/Settings screen? If so, that's a 30-second change to my remote control settings. https://github.com/MediaBrowser/Wiki/wiki/Keyboard-and-Remote-Support alt-left: navigate back alt-b: navigate back alt-right: navigate forward page-up: scroll forward in list page-down: scroll backward in list end: scroll to end of list home: return to app home screen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37219 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 If you're on the home screen, then pressing back to exit is exactly what you would do to leave the app. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceboy 2502 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I think this is a design choice and to me both ways are reasonable but consistency across OS is also important. Pressing back on the home screen exits the Emby app on android tv and I am happy with this. Others may have a confirmation, e.g. press back again or a confirm / cancel menu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denz 426 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I think it is a poor design choice you shouldn't be able to press any keys to get to the settings menu it should be like in win 10 you click on the person. I am running emby on my pi and I would never think of exiting the app or going into settings but pressing back accidently brings that menu up which is totally wrong why would you want to exit the app if it is so good. If you want to change users you can see clearly a person head and that immediately informs you that is where change of users. Even using theatre in windows haven't been in settings menu in months but I bring it up accidently by pressing back key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) I still think there should be an exit button on UI instead of pressing back/esc. That would solve everything. Edited March 15, 2017 by Doofus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now