TMDb -> add the Episode Group Feature into Emby

[GrimReaper 5168]

10 minutes ago, Luke said:

The problem I see with Tmdb compared to Tvdb, is that within an episode group you can have sub-groupings that are the equivalent of seasons...But Tmdb does not have the requirement of these being numbered. So what does that mean for season folders and tv episode naming conventions? If you start making all of that optional then it requires everything to be reimagined. Tvdb at least keeps this a little more strict.

Personally, I'd treat all of those parts (non-season titled sub-groups) as Seasons regardless of how they're named - and true, there's no numbered seasons/parts requirement, but items where they're actually not are few and far between.
 

10 minutes ago, Luke said:

Also one thing I notice with tmdb is that the seasons under a group don't appear to support having an image or description, so by picking an alternate group you essentially lose that feature.

True again, but if they're treated as seasons as per above, either TMDB or fallback provider should grab (or offer on manual search) a season image in vast majority of cases.

Edited 19 hours ago by GrimReaper

[Luke 43183]

1 minute ago, GrimReaper said:

True again, but if they're treated as seasons as per above, either TMDB or fallback provider should grab (or offer on manual search) a season image in vast majority of cases.

You can't (or shouldn't) do a fallback because the content or description of a season in aired order will not correlate to a different order.

Additionally if you pick a custom order with tvdb, then we should not allow metadata through a secondary provider like tmdb, even if you have it enabled in library options, because we can't match up a tvdb group to a tmdb group.

 

[GrimReaper 5168]

1 minute ago, Luke said:

ou can't (or shouldn't) do a fallback because the content or description of a season in aired order will not correlate to a different order.

Season 1 in Aired order or Season 1 in DVD order is still Season 1 - single poster would (and generally does) cover both, I doubt anyone looks for Season 1 poster for DVD order in particular. Same goes for episode groups.

3 minutes ago, Luke said:

Additionally if you pick a custom order with tvdb, then we should not allow metadata through a secondary provider like tmdb, even if you have it enabled in library options, because we can't match up a tvdb group to a tmdb group.

 For descriptions - maybe, though they're also quite rare. For posters - don't see why not, as said.

[Mibok 161]

18 hours ago, GrimReaper said:

Season 1 in Aired order or Season 1 in DVD order is still Season 1 - single poster would (and generally does) cover both, I doubt anyone looks for Season 1 poster for DVD order in particular. Same goes for episode groups.

 For descriptions - maybe, though they're also quite rare. For posters - don't see why not, as said.

 

There are some cases where a group order doesn't necessarily correspond to the season order. For example, with Dragon Ball (1986), the default order is a single season, while the different Episode Groups separate the episodes according to different sagas, such as the "Pilaf Saga" or "Red Ribbon Army Saga." There may also be other cases where a "Chronological Order" is available and could mix episodes from different seasons.

I was hoping to use the default order from TMDB as the base structure, and then be able to switch to a different Episode Group so the episodes can be grouped or arranged differently depending on how I want to watch the series at that time. I don't know if something like this would be possible.

Speaking mainly from an anime perspective, TMDB and TVDB often don't correlate, especially when it comes to movies that are listed as specials in TVDB, while on TMDB the same content may be listed as a movie independently from the show rather than within a season.

So, for me at least, I have to decide whether to go with TMDB or TVDB, and I have chosen TMDB for two main reasons:

• Trakt only works with the TMDB order.

• TMDB is the only one that supports Mexican Spanish as a language variant.

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[GrimReaper 5168]

17 minutes ago, Mibok said:

There are some cases where a group order doesn't necessarily correspond to the season order. For example, with Dragon Ball (1986), the default order is a single season, while the different Episode Groups separate the episodes according to different sagas, such as the "Pilaf Saga" or "Red Ribbon Army Saga." There may also be other cases where a "Chronological Order" is available and could mix episodes from different seasons.

There is no "one solution fits all" - nor there ever will be, there'll always be edge cases where manual adjustment will be required. As I see it, current discussion is about whether some kind of feature should be implemented (and cover majority of cases) or none at all. And yes, it gets convoluted very quickly.

17 minutes ago, Mibok said:

I was hoping to use the default order from TMDB as the base structure, and then be able to switch to a different Episode Group so the episodes can be grouped or arranged differently depending on how I want to watch the series at that time. I don't know if something like this would be possible.

AFAIK that is not feasible (and again, don't think it ever will be), even with the current TVDB-only implementation for alternate episode orders, you need to (re)name/(re)structure the files in the underlying OS accordingly and refresh metadata, you can't just switch display/presentation as you see fit with single set of data. 

Edited 20 minutes ago by GrimReaper

[Luke 43183]

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AFAIK that is not feasible (and again, don't think it ever will be), even with the current TVDB-only implementation for alternate episode orders, you need to (re)name/(re)structure the files in the underlying OS accordingly and refresh metadata, you can't just switch display/presentation as you see fit with single set of data. 

Right - you are telling the server the file order of your episodes, e.g. how the files are named and ordered.