[Plugin] Moonfin for Moonfin Clients

[MediaIntelNUC 53]

1 hour ago, IAmHugh said:

The phrase should of been this could cause theft, NOT that it's just stealing. He's referring to Seerr. As for the YouTube trailer fetcher I do agree it's not needed when there is at least one trailer fetcher for Emby that grabs them legally.

Gotcha!

I dont use any Seer/Aaar services, but thanx for clearing that up

/N

[ebr 16637]

8 hours ago, MediaIntelNUC said:

Im sorry, but this i dont get, exactly what is getting stolen?

Accessing YT content outside of their published and approved channels is against their ToS and is stealing.  How do you think YT makes money (and pays all those content creators)?  They do so via advertising and, when you circumvent that, you are cutting off the revenue not just to YT but to the actual creators.

In addition, IMDb and RT data is not free.  Once again, these are businesses and they sell access to this data.  If this app is actually paying the subscription prices for this data then I stand corrected on this point but I've not seen evidence of that and I'd be very surprised if it is the case (both are quite expensive).

Finally, any direct integration with content-acquisition systems is just something we cannot allow.

[Jdiesel 1489]

As always this is dependant on the copyright laws in your own country but generally scraping private information, copyrighted material, or bypassing security walls is illegal. What is considered copyrighted material can be subjective but the safest and most conservative rule is that if the data owner does not provide a public API to access the data it should be considered private or subject to copyright. Using this information for personal use tends to be a grey area. You copying and pasting a movie rating or synopsis from IMDB into your  Emby isn't going to result in a copyright lawsuit. The main reason being that you are still manually visiting the page, viewing advertisements, and providing them will all your data and metrics to harvest. You get the information you want, the service gets your information, and the transaction is a wash.

When things start to get less grey is when you automate this process using Python or some other web-crawling mechanism. Now you are receiving the information without physically viewing the ads or providing meaningful usage behavior in return. If you make this scrapping available to others, say through an app or plugin, you are now facilitating the bypassing of the data owners value to make the information available on a much larger scale. There is now a target on you or your app which could mean having your app pulled from app stores or possibly litigation. 

My understanding is that these providers do not offer a public API but do offer a paid API. In this case it is not grey at all.

Free to view and free to use are not the same. 

 

Unless you are Anthropic, OpenAI, Meta, Alphabet, or any other massive AI company in which case you scrape whatever you want to deal with the legal ramifications after. The average person needs to follow the rules.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Jdiesel

[MediaIntelNUC 53]

@Jdiesel

Thank you for that, explaining for someone who wants to understand how a app/service is violating the terms of use beacause i honestly didnt know in this case.

Instead of simply labeling something as "Stealing".

 

/N

[Jdiesel 1489]

Everything in the self-hosted media server world has a shade of greyness to it. Putting the responsibly on the end user offers up some latitude to made more useful software. I personally think the Moonfin app is great and I'm happy that they include features that wouldn't be possible in the official Emby app. I also respect Emby's decisions to protect their brand by limiting what types of activities are allowed through their plugin store and official apps. We have the ability to sideload apps and plugins which gives us the flexibility to add functionality based on our own local laws, risk tolerances, and morals.