26 TB Hard Drive

[FourCorners 5]

I have one 26 tb hard drive almost full I have lots a movies & shows but what I need to do is I have 7 more 26 tb drives I want to join together as 1 hard drive and just thinking how long does a hard drive last.

 

[yocker 1722]

I would suggest building a dedicated server and use something like Unraid or Truenas.

If you insist on using Windows then look up "Windows Storage spaces" as that is what is used in Windows to manage larger storage/raids.

[MBSki 1128]

Use StableBit Drive Pool on Windows. Fantastic app. Much better than Windows Storage Spaces. Also get StableBit Scanner which will scan your drives every month looking for issues. If an issue is spotted, just send it back to the vendor for a warranty replacement. Drive life varies, but you can get 5 years out of quality drives. If you're getting 7 new drives now, stick with the same vendor now and as you add more later just to make it easier to manage. I use Seagate which also comes with an app that can fix common hard drive issues.

[Neminem 1777]

6 hours ago, MBSki said:

If you're getting 7 new drives now, stick with the same vendor

Do you mean same distributer or same drive manufacture?

What about the bad batch problem?

When sourcing you drives from 1 vendor and buying them all at once.

You might end up with the same batch, of bad drives.

[MBSki 1128]

6 hours ago, Neminem said:

Do you mean same distributer or same drive manufacture?

What about the bad batch problem?

When sourcing you drives from 1 vendor and buying them all at once.

You might end up with the same batch, of bad drives.

Same manufacturer. 

Yea, I guess that's possible. Might be good to split up the order to avoid that issue.

[Q-Droid 1044]

How long HDDs last? That depends.

 Don't try this at home, but...

I have two with 115k hours on them. One reported errors in SMART but that was in the first few years and well before I removed them from the volume at ~90k hours, give or take. No corruption or data loss but they're too old, too slow and too small (2TB) for regular use now. For the last 316 days I've been running an I/O workload simulation 24/7 of around 1.5TB/day on each and still no corruption or loss detected yet. I was planning to keep the workload going until at least one of them fails but if I lose interest or need the slots then they'll get pulled.

 

[yocker 1722]

10 hours ago, Neminem said:

Do you mean same distributer or same drive manufacture?

What about the bad batch problem?

When sourcing you drives from 1 vendor and buying them all at once.

You might end up with the same batch, of bad drives.

Personally don't think it matters.
Unless a batch has a serious flaw i don't see hard drives die within a meaningful time frame that could cost any data when running with parity/raid.

Last time i heard of such a flaw was with the Matrox DeskStars (Also known as DeathStars) in the 201x's. Had two of them my self and even then there was 3 months between them dying.

Ofc. nothing wrong in being careful.  

[js28194 65]

I'm conflicted on this approach as the OP never really states on the "How"... I come from days of Dell PowerVaults and RAID 5 controllers and DRAC cards so, yeah, having one drive letter makes sense, but you need the support scaffolding around it to ensure life works.

I got poor back in the day so external 8tb usb drives and I'm fine with media scattered as I have script that runs every 3 days to generate a text file across the drive letters so if I loose the media on one, I'm fine.  But those drives were relatively inexpensive also back in the day.

I have two usb PCIe usb cards that have 8 usb 3.0 ports each which I have slowly weening myself off of.  I ended up buy one of these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MD2LNYX?th=1

so technically, I could 8 of these with 8 drives each... not sure if Windows can support that many drive letters   I would have to get exotic at that point.  Anything that I really really want is not cheap.

Edited yesterday at 08:10 PM by js28194

[Q-Droid 1044]

With that many SATA drives in that many enclosures using that many USB ports the interfaces are going to be your bottlenecks. Both USB and PCIe would be overcommitted. This is assuming Windows can handle the number of drives. It shouldn't be a noticeable problem for a media server, it being a low I/O throughput application. If you go through with this then building out, transferring files and general maintenance if you try to reorg and rebalance storage periodically are when you're likely to notice things being slower than expected. But these wouldn't be day-to-day events.

 

Edited yesterday at 09:10 PM by Q-Droid

[FourCorners 5]

Thanks guys, I bought the drives second hand for cheap and have started to copy my dvd collection to my pc. I was saving up for a gaming pc but seen these drives cheap and got them, will get a gaming pc another time. The file sizes when I copy from disk are big file size but they look like good on the tv I will keep them this size I just need to get a nas to put some of my other drives in and read up on raid so if one drive fails it will still keep my data. With emby always getting better the quality of my bluerays in the full size look so good using emby. Will emby be able to play iso in the future?

[MBSki 1128]

You don't need ISO, just use MakeMKV https://www.makemkv.com/ to save them as full HD. 

Btw, you don't need to study RAID if you get StabletBit DrivePool. It takes care of the complexity for you. All you have to do is add drives.

[FourCorners 5]

6 hours ago, MBSki said:

You don't need ISO, just use MakeMKV https://www.makemkv.com/ to save them as full HD. 

Btw, you don't need to study RAID if you get StabletBit DrivePool. It takes care of the complexity for you. All you have to do is add drives.

That has been what I use makemkv works great for me and I will read up on StableBit DrivePool thank you very much.

[FourCorners 5]

18 hours ago, MBSki said:

You don't need ISO, just use MakeMKV https://www.makemkv.com/ to save them as full HD. 

Btw, you don't need to study RAID if you get StabletBit DrivePool. It takes care of the complexity for you. All you have to do is add drives.

So this could replace a nas server running? I have no hardware for my hard drives it's just 3.5 hard drives from ebay so I would need to buy some extra hardware if not a nas.

[MBSki 1128]

StableBit Drive Pool won't replace a NAS, BUT you can connect the drives any way you want and Drive Pool will put them together under 1 drive letter. Instead of a NAS you could get a USB enclosure like this: https://a.co/d/09uKqZcH. I believe this one is setup and JBOD so each diak would be viewed independently by Drive Pool.

[FourCorners 5]

I have someone coming over in a bit to buy 2 of these 26tb hard drives then I will make some money back and order a 5 bay nas. There is 1 thing though and it has me on the fence about connecting drives together as 1 and that is all the drives will be running not giving a breather for the drives. I'm just not sure what to do because I don't really want all the hard drives running all the time. I'm even thinking if I buy a 5 bay nas I could put in 1 drive and wait until it fills before adding more I don't know. The good news is I will be getting almost all the money back for 2 drives that I paid for 7. 

[MBSki 1128]

Why don't you want them all running? They spin down when not in use, but you need them all running so you can build redundancy into your setup. You want to duplicate files and spread the files evenly across drives, so if 1 goes down you can remove it without losing any files.

[FourCorners 5]

7 minutes ago, MBSki said:

Why don't you want them all running? They spin down when not in use, but you need them all running so you can build redundancy into your setup. You want to duplicate files and spread the files evenly across drives, so if 1 goes down you can remove it without losing any files.

It just feels like driving 5 cars at once to get to work in the morning what about copy everything to another drive then unplug the drive would make it last longer?

[FourCorners 5]

11 minutes ago, MBSki said:

Why don't you want them all running? They spin down when not in use, but you need them all running so you can build redundancy into your setup. You want to duplicate files and spread the files evenly across drives, so if 1 goes down you can remove it without losing any files.

Your going to have to help me with a solar panel install next just to power this and save money