5 Min Chapters Gone?

[nickglott 5]

Hello all,

I have noticed that the 5 Min Chapter selcetion for Thumbnail images has been removed and can now only be set to 10s or Chapter Markers. I have done a bit of searching and it has seemed to provide better support for Roku's. I have always skiped rokus because the lack of codec support and the need to transcode more often. I do understand that people do use rokus and that the 5min images might have been an issue but from my experience most TV shows don't haved chapter markers added and by setting it to 10s seems a bit excessive. So why not keep the 5min option and just set the default to 10s so that there is the option I have since had to use chapters API and manuly add chapters every 5mins and this is unsustainable and 240 chapters for a 40min show is quite ridiculous not only for the disk space but to "seek" through. 

Please let me know if I am am missing something here but I have not seemed to find any other way to set it to 5min.

 

Thanks.

[Happy2Play 9780]

@nickglottChapter Markers are the default server 5-minute chapters assuming the file does not have its own chapter markers.

The 10 second interval images I believe apply to all clients now (visual seek).

[nickglott 5]

Hhmm. Okay well then mine server seems to not be adding them automaticly. Any sugestions?

 

[nickglott 5]

Would switching it to 10 secs "readd" the 5 min chapters? I have it set to chapter markers currently and my understanding was chapters wont show unless they have pictures for them if they are not apart of the file but it used to crerate the pictures when it was set to 5min. We are used to using the 30sec skip and 10sec back skip so we never really "seek" so having all those images for a 20TB library seems tooo much just to add chapters if that is the case haha.

[Happy2Play 9780]

35 minutes ago, nickglott said:

Hhmm. Okay well then mine server seems to not be adding them automaticly. Any sugestions?

 

To me that suggest the files had embedded chapter file the server is honoring.

Wild guess as to same file.

26 minutes ago, nickglott said:

Would switching it to 10 secs "readd" the 5 min chapters? I have it set to chapter markers currently and my understanding was chapters wont show unless they have pictures for them if they are not apart of the file but it used to crerate the pictures when it was set to 5min. We are used to using the 30sec skip and 10sec back skip so we never really "seek" so having all those images for a 20TB library seems tooo much just to add chapters if that is the case haha.

Good question but don't believe so as the file itself controls the chapters if present.  But with interval you would get visual seek images.

There is no option to override embed chapters that I know and would have to be stripped from the file to get Emby Chapter Marker.

Edited February 21, 2023 by Happy2Play

[speechles 2055]

Are you confusing "Chapters" with "BIF" ?

It almost appears you are. With Chapters those are basically "entry points" where you can jump into the show quickly. That is why they are offered on the Chapters row for that item.

With BIF images these generate thumbnails usually every 10 seconds, these are then compressed into a ZIP file and renamed with a BIF extension. These are Binary Index Files so that as you seek through the timeline it shows a small representation of what would be on the screen. These are not entry points. These BIF are just a way to visually see where you will land when you start playback from that point.

Chapters are generated by the media itself usually. The encoder (person making the media file) has built chapters into the media when ripping a disc/etc. But if the encoder did not build chapters into the media Emby will then create chapters as a courtesy. These will be based upon your interval for chapter images which you have given.

BIF are generated by Emby.

Just making sure you have a clear distinction between the two. Chapters and BIF are not the same and should not be confused.

Edited February 21, 2023 by speechles

[Happy2Play 9780]

Well visual representation is embedded Chapters and images can come from Chapter Marker or Interval images.  

Emby Chapters can be created for all files that do not have embedded Chapter Menus.

Here is file with stripped worthless chapter menus.

Edited February 21, 2023 by Happy2Play

[GrimReaper 4740]

29 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

There is no option to override embed chapters that I know

Chapter API plugin can automatically insert 5-minute chapters between embedded ones - and also delete some of those embedded if inclined to do so, I often delete first one. 

 

[nickglott 5]

Okay, I think you are correct. The last 3 shows I added has embeded that are just into and credits. The other 2 shows were Kdrams for my wife ans she is the one that pointed it out on them so I checked with the last show I added "the last of us" and it was the same. After looking at the settings I noticed the 5min is gone so assumed it was that.

I have Chapters API installed but I dont see a way to do it automaticly when files are added, just automaticly like per episode if I click the button happen to notice it.

[GrimReaper 4740]

2 minutes ago, nickglott said:

I have Chapters API installed but I dont see a way to do it automaticly when files are added

There is none, you have to intentionally create those on per movie/per episode basis. 

[Happy2Play 9780]

Your best option would probably be preprocessing ensuring the episodes don't have embedded Chapter menus as should only take a few seconds. 

[nickglott 5]

Thanks guys!

Everything else is basically automated so I will prob continue to look for a solution as this I assume will continue to pop up. I would have thought a show like The Last of US would have ether proper chapters or none at all so I apologize for quickly pointing the finger. I recently rebuilt my server and started emby configs from scratch as the install was quite a many years old and wanted the databases and files cleaned up. I have not really seen this before so was a bit taken back when that option was removed as I tried to set it recently when I did reconfigure Emby because in my quick judgment I assumed the change is what affected it. 

25 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

There is none, you have to intentionally create those on per movie/per episode basis. 

 

7 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

Your best option would probably be preprocessing ensuring the episodes don't have embedded Chapter menus as should only take a few seconds. 

Long Live Emby, user from back in the MediaBrowser days with Windows Media Center, was the best, and all the continued improvements make it better and better.

[rbjtech 5284]

Personally I think emby should have an option to merge the existing chapters with the 5 minute auto-chapters (with a little logic to avoid duplicate chapters if within say +/- 1 minute of each other)

But as of today, because I use the Introskip Plugin which detects both the Intro and Credit markers anyway (and then creates well behaved chapters with logic..) - I simply strip the chapters out and let emby recreate them for consistent naming etc.

If you use MKV's - then this is very easy to do without remuxing using mkvpropedit - see example below -

mkvpropedit file.mkv --tags all: --chapters ""

(Intro and End Credits are inserted by the Plugin (the 5 min auto chapters are inserted by Emby Core)

Edited February 21, 2023 by rbjtech