kcdh 1 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Him I'm a new user to embody but have been using Plex for many years so I have a general knowledge of metadata. For my movie section, I have both TMDB and OMDB checked with TMDB on top. I seem to have two problems with metadata retrieval: 1) emby doesn't seem to be going to OMDB as a secondary source when no entry exists in TMBD or for empty fields. 2) when i try manually identify the movie and embry retrieves it from OMDB, not all the data is pulled and it seems to vary from item to item. The title, year, genre and rating are always pulled, but its not getting either the crew/actors or the overview or both. In two instances, the metadata manager contained the plot/overview but it wasn't displayed when looked at the movie in server view. One move that was incorrectly identified kept the wrong actors/crew but changed everything else when I manually identified it. I'd appreciate all help with these issues. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37064 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Hi, there are some fixes to the identify feature coming in the next release so i would retry then, thanks. as far as omdb not being used as a source, it probably is being used but the search is just not returning anything. that would be my guess at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcdh 1 Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 hi thanks for the reply. Its good to here that some identification fixes are upcoming. As for the search not returning anything, I'm pretty confident that it is. I've run a search of omdb and the missing fields are there. I've attached a screen capture as one example. This mini series, All or Nothing at all (1993), originally misidentified as Sinatra: All or Nothing at All (2015). I manually identified the item, and as visible in the screen capture, the title, year, cover and rating changed, but the plot didn't update and the cast remained for the original misidentified item. I've noticed this issue only with omdb. When I manually identify items and emby pulls from TMDB, everything is replaced/updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37064 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Yea i understand, but what we need to know is what happened at the time of the refresh. http://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/739-how-to-report-a-problem/ Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcdh 1 Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 I 've attached the fie. The imdb number of the movie that I've used as an example is tt0106249. I really like emby so far! Log.txt.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37064 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Ok yea this is a specific scenario we need to improve on a little. We get the Imdb id from Omdb, and then we try to use that to find the record on MovieDb using MovieDb's lookup by Imdb id. Problem is it doesn't have that Imdb id on file so it returns nothing. So we need to recover from that scenario by doing a new search on MovieDb and we're just not doing that yet. For more mainstream titles this generally doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcdh 1 Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 I think I understand. I know that the movies I'm having issues with are not on MovieDb. Does emby pull metadata from omdb if the movie isn't in MoveDB? In one instance, the plot wasn't displayed on the movie's page in emby but it is visible in the metadata manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37064 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 default settings have omdb first so we save it's description in the short description field and let the longer MovieDb descriptions become primary. But I guess to handle this situation we'll have to save it in both. actually that's tricky because then if the moviedb is second it won't be able to overwrite. I'll have to think about this but for now since this only affects more obscure titles i can't make a change that might negatively affect other scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcdh 1 Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 Should i move omdb above MovieDB? I put MovieDB higher because I prefer its cast lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37064 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 i would leave that order at default personally, which has omdb on top. you'll still get cast lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcdh 1 Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 will it pull the cast lists from MovieDB if omdb is first or only if that field is empty in omdb? also, where are the cast lists pulled from for tv shows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37064 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 yes, we don't get casts from omdb. for tv, same situation, so whatever source is after omdb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcdh 1 Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 What order do you recommend for tv shows? I have TheTVDB followed by omdb followed by MovieDB. Are cast lists pulled from TheTVDB? Thanks for your help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37064 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Yes they are and I would use the default order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcdh 1 Posted April 15, 2016 Author Share Posted April 15, 2016 Thanks for being so helpful. I have one last question. I've changed the defaults and do not see where I can revert to those. Could you please tell me the default metadata setting order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37064 Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 tv should be omdb -> tvdb -> tmdb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3335 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 tv should be omdb -> tvdb -> tmdb @@Luke, are you sure about this? Omdb has just been added recently (by me ;-) for episodes. I think episodes should be tvdb -> tmdb -> omdb PS: omdb doesn't do caching. Disable it to improve scan times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37064 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Series level is omdb first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3335 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Series level is omdb first. Right! I assumed he was talking about episodes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcdh 1 Posted April 22, 2016 Author Share Posted April 22, 2016 I'm a bit confused. What should the order be for episodes? If TMDB isn't first in either episodes or series, will the guest stars still be listed? I prefer TVDB but find that if a particular actor that I follow has a small part in a show, its easier to input them in TMDB than TVDB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3335 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Series: omdb -> tvdb -> tmdb Episodes: tvdb -> tmdb -> omdb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcdh 1 Posted April 23, 2016 Author Share Posted April 23, 2016 Will that pull in all the guest stars from tmdb? Also, if i edit the cast on either tmdb or tvdb web site, is there a procedure for getting it to update in my library? In Plex for instance, I would have to wait a few days then delete the item from my library, delete the agent cache and then reload into my library. A mere refresh or unmatch then match wouldn't work. Thanks for your help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37064 Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Same idea. we have a cache as well and it also can take time to before it is made available through the provider api's. Best thing to do is make your change on Tmdb, then give it a few days and refresh your content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcdh 1 Posted April 23, 2016 Author Share Posted April 23, 2016 do i need to delete anything within my library or within emby or does the refresh replace the previous metadata? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37064 Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 no, just refreshing is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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