softworkz 3341 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) Hi, I am using MB Classic with Chocolate theme and the EHS. When I enter the TV Series area and click on a series, I get the "Series Custom View" as configured in the settings. I really like that view, as it displays all seasons in a single layout. But when I'm on the EHS and navigate up to select a series with unwatched content, I am getting a different view (which I don't like that much). Is there any way to rather get into the "Series Custom View" when clicking on an unwatched series? Thanks for any help, softworkz Edited September 21, 2015 by softworkz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14930 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 That list on the home screen is known as the "Recent List". It can be configured to show a few different types of content for quick access. Most use it for new, unwatched content. The only content that is shown in that view, however, are the items that fit the criteria selected (new and unwatched, or new, or watched, etc.). So, you are viewing a sub-set of the series as opposed to the entire series itself and it uses the standard view styles for doing that. You can select several different view styles (poster, list, coverflow, etc.) but the navigation structure will still be a standard season->episode one because, in most cases, it is only showing you a small portion of the actual episodes in the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3341 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 Hi Eric, thanks for the information. The thing is: I got so well accustomed with the "Series Custom View" that I found myself always going back, going to the series list, scrolling to the series to open that view that I like. Which is an annoyance of course... Of course I understand the idea behind displaying only unwatched items, but I find it a bit impractical. Sometimes I am not sure if the watched status is correct or I want to watch the last watched episode again to regain the context - which is of course not possible in the current "unwatched views". Having an option to always display the "Series Custom View" right away would IMO not go against the idea to display unwatched episodes, since that series view will display watched/unwatched status anyway and even jump to the first unwatched episode. Do you think we could make this possible? I had a look at the MB/WMC source but I suppose the "Series Custom View" is a feature of the Chocolate theme, right? softworkz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14930 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Yes, that view is a part of the Chocolate theme. The recent lists are a very old design. If I were starting over now, I would take a different approach but they are what they are now and too many themes depend on them being the way they are for them to change at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3341 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 Hm, but to get what I actually want, I would still have to modify MB/WMC to display the "normal series view" instead of the unwatched view and Chocolate would display its own special series view then - is that correct? Or would it be more complicated (like modifying theme interfaces or something like that)? Thanks, softworkz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14930 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 It is going to be more complicated than that because the entities that exist within that recent list are not the TV series. They are specialized folders containing, what happens to be in some instances, some episodes of a TV series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3341 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 I had really hoped for a different reply :-) But I won't give up so early...hehe PS: Do you have any hints regarding WMC SDK with Visual Studio 2013? How do you do it? Thanks, softworkz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14930 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 PS: Do you have any hints regarding WMC SDK with Visual Studio 2013? How do you do it? I don't. I used VS 2012 for the core but still use 2010 for any theme work (mcml) and the wix project. WMC development support really wasn't continued after VS 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3341 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 The SDK mentions VS 2005 which I do not have anymore while I still got 2010. Probably there is a newer SDK than the one I got... I'm gonna find it! Thanks again, softworkz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14930 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I believe the last SDK that was published was targeted at VS 2008. This platform - as a development environment - has actually been left for dead for a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14930 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 The latest version was SDK 6.0 and targeted Windows 7 WMC. In my quick searching just now it wasn't easy to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3341 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 That's what I suspected, I have 5.0. But I just found the 6.0 version on MSDN Subscriber Downloads! (it's not public, though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3341 Posted September 23, 2015 Author Share Posted September 23, 2015 Actually, it wasn't too difficult to implement this behaviour. Please see my pull request: https://github.com/MediaBrowser/MediaBrowser.Classic/pull/284 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewcrider 2 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I'd like to see this behavior implemented. I've always thought the EHS links should just be shortcuts, not special folders only containing those items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14930 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I'd like to see this behavior implemented. I've always thought the EHS links should just be shortcuts, not special folders only containing those items. Well, that just isn't the way it was designed way back when and it is such an established paradigm with so many users now, I'm not inclined to change it on them. Please don't say "just add it as an option..." . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3341 Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) I really understand your original intentions! But that's just not what's practical in everyday use. IMO the "turning point" was the introduction of the "custom series view". This view is just the perfect way to present a complete series in a single view. Once you came to get used to that view, there is no more point in watching any other view layout. I'll try to elaborate on this issue just a little bit more: Typical case with me: I have series 'abc'. It's been a while since I watched the last episodes. Suddenly one or more new episodes come in. But I don't remember if I already watched all of the existing episodes or not, or even in case I would maybe like to re-watch the last episode I got. All these things are impossible with the current reduced view, because it doesn't display all the other episodes. What would be the advantage of such a reduced view? Why should I prefer an unstructured view of unwatched items over a view that lists all those items in context, indicating watched/unwatched status at the same time anyway? If you are asking me - it should not even be an option - it should be the default to display the "custom series view" from the EHS, if Chocolate is active. PS: I'm talking about TV Series only, no change to other media types! Edited September 27, 2015 by softworkz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14930 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 I really understand your original intentions! But that's just not what's practical in everyday use. IMO the "turning point" was the introduction of the "custom series view". This view is just the perfect way to present a complete series in a single view. Once you came to get used to that view, there is no more point in watching any other view layout. I'll try to elaborate on this issue just a little bit more: Typical case with me: I have series 'abc'. It's been a while since I watched the last episodes. Suddenly one or more new episodes come in. But I don't remember if I already watched all of the existing episodes or not, or even in case I would maybe like to re-watch the last episode I got. All these things are impossible with the current reduced view, because it doesn't display all the other episodes. What would be the advantage of such a reduced view? Why should I prefer an unstructured view of unwatched items over a view that lists all those items in context, indicating watched/unwatched status at the same time anyway? If you are asking me - it should not even be an option - it should be the default to display the "custom series view" from the EHS, if Chocolate is active. PS: I'm talking about TV Series only, no change to other media types! That is because you are coming into the program right now. The vast majority of EMC users have been using the interface for years. Changing it on them now would not be wise. But, the good news is, you've implemented it how you want it and you can certainly use your own version on your systems. There aren't many updates planned for EMC so you shouldn't be fighting a battle of keeping up with changes for it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3341 Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) That is because you are coming into the program right now. The vast majority of EMC users have been using the interface for years. Changing it on them now would not be wise. But, the good news is, you've implemented it how you want it and you can certainly use your own version on your systems. There aren't many updates planned for EMC so you shouldn't be fighting a battle of keeping up with changes for it . Not exactly true...I'm using MB for many years already. But I've always been much too satisfied to think about investing personal time for development - Which is really meant as a compliment! I also didn't change the interface, I just added an option. An option that is only meant for use in conjunction with the "Enhanced Series View" (which is not around for such a long time btw.) But I accept your position in that you don't want to overload the client with options. It's not easy to understand many of them anyway. For anybody who is interested in this change, please see: https://github.com/softworkz/MediaBrowser.Classic/tree/EnhancedSeriesScreen or contact me Edited September 28, 2015 by softworkz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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