ng4ever 39 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Unless you can not discuss that publicly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37060 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Hi, for what? We do not provide any media content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ng4ever 39 Posted July 10, 2021 Author Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Luke said: Hi, for what? We do not provide any media content. I agree. I mean for like making it easily accessible for the average joe or jane I guess ? idk. Still your right Emby never provides any media content. It is up to the user to do that. Other reason I ask is because some media companies like Disney, etc limit on the amount of people that can see a movie you own sometimes. Though the question is how to they keep track of this ? Edited July 10, 2021 by ng4ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abobader 2942 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 @ng4ever Really some of your threads had no point at all. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh_48 943 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 I suggest you close them all as they contribute nothing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamB 2352 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 9 hours ago, Abobader said: @ng4ever Really some of your threads had no point at all. I think it is a valid question, worth discussing the point like emby does not supply media, not even media meta data directly, a lot of people might not understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abobader 2942 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 13 hours ago, TeamB said: I think it is a valid question, worth discussing the point like emby does not supply media, not even media meta data directly, a lot of people might not understand that. I can agree with you if the thread has clean indicated subject, let me till you something: From every new registration, we have like 10% immediately asking for account removal, the reason for that, they find out that Emby is simply a software media management. Not media services, so they came here as a guest and they thought if they register they can see some section for that. Now, let take this thread subject as example with the new guest browsing our community forum looking for getting media download for any kind, they will not for example read Luke reply here, they just confirm thier thought about it. I will pin a good thread explain what Emby is, true Emby is simply a software for "your" media collections managements. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamB 2352 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 10 hours ago, Abobader said: From every new registration, we have like 10% immediately asking for account removal, the reason for that, they find out that Emby is simply a software media management. Not media services, so they came here as a guest and they thought if they register they can see some section for that. Now, let take this thread subject as example with the new guest browsing our community forum looking for getting media download for any kind, they will not for example read Luke reply here, they just confirm thier thought about it. I will pin a good thread explain what Emby is, true Emby is simply a software for "your" media collections managements. There are things that can help with account management like this, it sounds like account deletion is a pain point for you, people will always create accounts in systems before they realize this system/app is not what they want or expected. You should allow people to delete their own accounts also, perhaps only if the account is newer than 30 days or something just so people that set up an account and then change their mind can self manage that without having to bother you. I dont understand your comment on the new user not reading the forum, why would a user create a forum account without reading the forum first and if they are not reading the forum how is a pinned post going to help? The main problem and confusion with this forum and new users is the forum user account is tied to emby connect which is directly on the home page of emby, a user googling emby, finding the home page, clicking on sign in, selecting sign up new account. At this point a user is expecting to be able to stream content. At this point a user has not even seen the forum. I am surprised the ask for account delete is only 10%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speechles 1917 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, TeamB said: I dont understand your comment on the new user not reading the forum, why would a user create a forum account without reading the forum first and if they are not reading the forum how is a pinned post going to help? They do not want help. They are required to complete the registration so they can join the other servers via Emby Connect. Those other servers are.. for the most part.. Questionable. They are in PlexShares and EmbyShares on Reddit. Some are free, some cost money, but most every single one wants the user to join them with Emby Connect. I noticed this. Then certainly some person has sent DMCA request to the Emby forum incorrectly or to Emby.media website. When it is the forward facing IP address with infringing content they want to send the DMCA or ABUSE complaints to. Instead Emby must weed through those, sort them out, and inform those guys. They are blaming the Casino because there are Drug Dealers inside selling drugs. It happens. You cannot weed out society and which technology is good or bad. Is a Casino really good? Yes because it offers choice for people to dream. Dreaming is what Emby is all about. Therefore some people dream Emby can get them media. When they find out, ohh.. Its a scam. Some guy was doing illegal stuff and illegally implicate Emby and etc. They then politely ask to remove their account. You must assume all people are good. With good intentions all the time. They are misled. Lied to. Hoodwinked. We have to set them straight. Unbend their crooked arrow so they can shoot straight. We are the shepherds of the flock. We must always watch out for Wolves in sheeps clothing. They will eat the chickens and decimate the flock. Meaning they are no good swindlers and crooks and to prevent that we must help people remove their accounts. Those people are good who ask for accounts removed. They could actually help point to who is sending them here. A breadcrumb trail back to how they got here. They don't just google. It is a trap lately to use Emby for this purpose and we must thwart it. Edited July 11, 2021 by speechles 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamB 2352 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, speechles said: They are required to complete the registration so they can join the other servers via Emby Connect. And that is the point, it is not this forum that is the issue, it is the way Emby handles the user account, requiring a user account to share and having the sign up on the home page is where all the accounts are coming from. This is not a forum issue, it is a core Emby Connect account issue. There was talk of decoupling and deprecating Emby Connect a while ago but I dont know where this ended up @Luke this still happening? 37 minutes ago, speechles said: Then certainly some person has sent DMCA request to the Emby forum incorrectly or to Emby.media website. When it is the forward facing IP address with infringing content they want to send the DMCA or ABUSE complaints to. Instead Emby must weed through those, sort them out, and inform those guys. I have no idea how DMCA ended up in user account discussion. 37 minutes ago, speechles said: They are blaming the Casino Using analogies in a discussion with anyone is not a good approach, find another way of framing your ideas, adding an analogy just dilutes the discussion and can nearly always cause people to over analyze your analogy and stop focusing on the original discussion. Its a good way of starting a discussion on why or why not your analogy fits the discussion topic. 37 minutes ago, speechles said: You must assume all people are good. With good intentions all the time. They are misled. Lied to. Hoodwinked. We have to set them straight. Unbend their crooked arrow so they can shoot straight. Ummm, what are you talking about, we are discussing user account and why 10% are asking to be deleted. 37 minutes ago, speechles said: We are the shepherds of the flock. So you consider yourself a Shepard, a guide and protector? I have have been here a long time, almost as long as you by a few months, not that longevity is really a good measure, old people tend to stick to what they know. I do not consider myself a guide in any way, trying to force my ideals, principles and usage cases onto others is just arrogant and over bearing. 37 minutes ago, speechles said: It is a trap lately to use Emby for this purpose and we must thwart it. I dont see it as a trap, people are trying to make money from their home hobby media collection, it has always happened and always will, Emby is making it easier, if they dont want the user account issue they need to decouple the user account system from the Emby Web Systems, as I mentioned this was talked about over a year ago but it never happened. Emby created this system, they will need to adjust it to remove the reliance on Emby account if they want it to go away, until then it will continue to happen. Edited July 11, 2021 by TeamB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speechles 1917 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, TeamB said: So you consider yourself a Shepard, a guide and protector? Do you have children? Simple question. I am guessing the answer is no. Did I guess correctly? As a parent... then you can consider whether or not you should be involved. Emby is the parent in this case the user is the child. I know how you love Analogy. You must consider yourself part of the solution or part of the problem. Which are you? Why does the length of how long we have been here matter? It is more about doing bad which causes Emby to get sued. Is Emby doing bad? I told them hey, those local trailers are still downloading. That was going to be messy. That problem got fixed. People were mad. But to insulate Emby one must love it enough to protect it. Like you would a child. Bad cannot come to Emby or Emby may leave us. I want Emby to live forever. Jump in to that thread at the exact post I reference here. The rabbit hole...lol. Edited July 12, 2021 by speechles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamB 2352 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, speechles said: Do you have children? Simple question. I am guessing the answer is no. Did I guess correctly? what? I have a bunch of them, no really I do. Not sure what your point is, do you force your views on your kids too? Not sure where this came from, how weird to ask a question like that and assume before getting my answer that I dont 17 minutes ago, speechles said: As a parent... then you can consider whether or not you should be involved. so if I did not have kids I would not be eligible to be involved in your eyes? wow 17 minutes ago, speechles said: Emby is the parent in this case the user is the child. No that is not the case, Emby created a tool. They control the tool, not how users want to use it, that is why if someone ever does get caught using Emby to share their media library and fined Emby will not be liable, Emby does not control its users. 17 minutes ago, speechles said: You must consider yourself part of the solution or part of the problem. Which are you? I do not need to be part of the problem or solution, you have a very black and white way of looking at things, not sure how well that works out for you in the real but life is never just black|white there are always shades. Back on Topic: To fix the user delete requests and new users not knowing what Emby is, in my opinion Emby can try a few things: Decouple Emby account from the app (deprecate Emby Connect) Allow users to delete their own accounts Make the wording on the sign up page clearer Edited July 12, 2021 by TeamB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speechles 1917 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, TeamB said: what? I have a bunch of them, no really I do. Not sure what your point is, do you force your views on your kids too? Not sure where this came from, how weird to ask a question like that and assume before getting my answer that I dont By the ease at which you dismiss drugs. Drugs in the Casino was reference to that. Maybe too opaque? 12 minutes ago, TeamB said: so if I did not have kids I would not be eligible to be involved in your eyes? wow You would not see the problem of drugs in the Casino possibly. They arent "your" kids who succomb to the tempation and fall victim to the scam. That drugs provide relief or something from problems. That using Emby for crimes is wrong. But I digress... 12 minutes ago, TeamB said: No that is not the case, Emby created a tool. They control the tool, not how users want to use it, that is why if someone ever does get caught using Emby to share their media library and fined Emby will not be liable, Emby does not control its users. If you are not actively trying to stop people from using your tool incorrectly you are complicit. Secondary infringement liability Secondary liability, the possible liability of a defendant who is not a copyright infringer but who may have encouraged or induced copyright infringement by another, has been discussed generally by the United States Supreme Court in MGM v. Grokster,[74] which held in essence that secondary liability could only be found where there has been affirmative encouragement or inducing behavior. On remand, the lower court found Streamcast, the maker of Morpheus software, to be liable for its customers' copyright infringements, based upon the specific facts of that case.[104] 12 minutes ago, TeamB said: I do not need to be part of the problem or solution, you have a very black and white way of looking at things, not sure how well that works out for you in the real but life is never just black|white there are always shades. It says "Developer" on your name. It says kinda same thing on mine. As representative of Emby you need to error on the side of good. You must pick a side. You already did in putting that title on yourself. There is no grey area here. We are black and white. I agree Emby Connect is a hornets nest waiting to sting... Edited July 12, 2021 by speechles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamB 2352 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, speechles said: By the ease at which you dismiss drugs. And this is exactly why analogies dont work, you latched onto something that you created and threw it back at me as a valued point in your response to me, I did not even read you analogy, as soon as I saw you go off on a tangent I stopped reading it as it adds nothing to the current discussion. I dont read or reference analogies in discussions for this reason, people get all caught up in them and stop talking about the topic. As you have done. 6 minutes ago, speechles said: If you are not actively trying to stop people from using your tool incorrectly you are complicit. No, that is not how it works. If your tool enables users to break laws just saying "oh dont do that it is bad and you might get fined" is not going to cover your ass. 10 minutes ago, speechles said: It says "Developer" on your name. yeah I might have to get that fixed, this was from a time when you could be a developer for Emby and help out coding on the server, that time has long passed. I have produced two main 3rd tools, EmbyCon Kodi add-on and the Playback Reporting plugin but I dont consider myself as an Emby dev or part of the Emby team. The Emby team keep their cards very close to their chest now and rightly so, they are a company trying to make money, that should be their first priority. Back on Topic: The Emby Connect changes discussion was form over 2 years ago so I guess that is not going to happen now. While Emby Connect is part of the main home page login and is tied to forum accounts this problem of users creating and asking for "where is my streaming media" is going to continue. You can not blame the users if the systems is confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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speechles 1917 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 minute ago, TeamB said: Back on Topic: The Emby Connect changes discussion was form over 2 years ago so I guess that is not going to happen now. While Emby Connect is part of the main home page login and is tied to forum accounts this problem of users creating and asking for "where is my streaming media" is going to continue. You can not blame the users if the systems is confusing. Exactly. It was done to improve customer relations for Emby. When people legit want help. They need to be able to have something to call themselves. A nickname. So we can reference the help back to them directly. The personal touch. It was meant to enhance Emby and provide a benefit. ..but it is rife for abuse. There were some huge streamers taking advantage of the atmosphere in each geography. Where in some countries streaming isn't even legal (hi australia). But in others you cannot even dvr (hi new zealand). So Emby isn't meant to be the worlds thermometer and remove technology that people can abuse. All Emby can do at the end of the day is say they did the right thing. Whatever that may be in each particular case. It has to be that way. I meant no disrespect saying because "developers" is on you that it defines you. And you have to robotically say what the puppet hand up your back makes you say. I am sorry if it felt that way. I am just highly admirable of what Emby has become and wish it to not tarnish itself. Or others to throw mud at her. It gets me mad when I wander into Embyshares on Reddit. I know people are cowboys and indians as much as bankers and doctors. But when it starts to cause Abobader to become overworked chasing the dust from all of it you have to wonder. It will only get worse. As Emby gains awareness you have to pivot to being an angel. There is no grey area. That is what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamB 2352 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, speechles said: It was done to improve customer relations for Emby. Not exactly, Emby Connect exists to allow a user to easily find and use a server without having to know its IP address, this simplifies the "sharing" process and allows user to more easily access their home emby server remotely when they are on the road using mobile or when they want to share their collection with their family/friends. I think there are still some thing that can be done without dropping the Emby Connect system completely, for example these are the steps a user can take to find Emby: Google Emaby Media Streaming Select the first result, Select Sign in on the home page Read that you can stream media, the second download point looks like a suggestion, user thinks I just want to stream media and clicks next New user signs up Sees that this is not what they expected, cant just stream media and then asks for their account to be deleted. This is not even taking into account the number of users as you have pointed out that are directed to create accounts from reddit groups etc. At a minimum for info on the above screens that explain you need your own media or access to a private server, Emby is not a streaming media service. Edited July 12, 2021 by TeamB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abobader 2942 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 6 hours ago, TeamB said: There are things that can help with account management like this, it sounds like account deletion is a pain point for you, people will always create accounts in systems before they realize this system/app is not what they want or expected. You should allow people to delete their own accounts also, perhaps only if the account is newer than 30 days or something just so people that set up an account and then change their mind can self manage that without having to bother you. Yes you are correct, we could do that, but best we do it ourselves for some consideration, and all fine no problem here for doing this 6 hours ago, TeamB said: I dont understand your comment on the new user not reading the forum, why would a user create a forum account without reading the forum first and if they are not reading the forum how is a pinned post going to help? Sorry, I was not clear, I meant the thread title. I really do not want @ng4ever feel bad here, no harm to for the admin/mod's team to notify a member that something not right and it need to be correct, that all. @TeamB I understand about the Emby Connect, best to notify Luke and Ebr about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abobader 2942 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 On 7/10/2021 at 8:51 PM, Gilgamesh_48 said: I suggest you close them all as they contribute nothing. No, that fine buddy. You oldie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14910 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 13 hours ago, TeamB said: You can not blame the users if the systems is confusing. Yes, this is the crux of the problem. We wanted to make things simple and not require people to have two logins - one for Connect and one for the forum - so we made them the same. That came with repercussions we didn't anticipate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason'sEmby 29 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 16 hours ago, speechles said: They do not want help. They are required to complete the registration so they can join the other servers via Emby Connect. Those other servers are.. for the most part.. Questionable. They are in PlexShares and EmbyShares on Reddit. Some are free, some cost money, but most every single one wants the user to join them with Emby Connect. I noticed this. Then certainly some person has sent DMCA request to the Emby forum incorrectly or to Emby.media website. When it is the forward facing IP address with infringing content they want to send the DMCA or ABUSE complaints to. Instead Emby must weed through those, sort them out, and inform those guys. They are blaming the Casino because there are Drug Dealers inside selling drugs. It happens. You cannot weed out society and which technology is good or bad. Is a Casino really good? Yes because it offers choice for people to dream. Dreaming is what Emby is all about. Therefore some people dream Emby can get them media. When they find out, ohh.. Its a scam. Some guy was doing illegal stuff and illegally implicate Emby and etc. They then politely ask to remove their account. You must assume all people are good. With good intentions all the time. They are misled. Lied to. Hoodwinked. We have to set them straight. Unbend their crooked arrow so they can shoot straight. We are the shepherds of the flock. We must always watch out for Wolves in sheeps clothing. They will eat the chickens and decimate the flock. Meaning they are no good swindlers and crooks and to prevent that we must help people remove their accounts. Those people are good who ask for accounts removed. They could actually help point to who is sending them here. A breadcrumb trail back to how they got here. They don't just google. It is a trap lately to use Emby for this purpose and we must thwart it. If speechles wrote a book I would read it and I hate to read. Art of Emby by Speechles fall of 2025 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chyron 221 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, ebr said: We wanted to make things simple and not require people to have two logins - one for Connect and one for the forum - so we made them the same. That came with repercussions we didn't anticipate. Would separating them be logistically difficult to accomplish? I can immediately recall at least one app/service I use where my user account login and my forum account login are separate, and it never occurred to me to be bothered about it. Edited July 12, 2021 by Chyron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh_48 943 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Actually I would really prefer that account - server - forum logins all be separate. It is just my preference not anything I can really point to an advantage for. The only disadvantage is having the multiple logins and that is not a problem if you use a password manager (or a clipboard manager like I do) to manage all logins. I do not depend on my failing memory to remember my passwords and I live alone, except for my dog who lost all computer privileges by spending to much time on doggie sites where he even tried to order a couple of adoptions, so there is no security risk unless someone breaks in and then I will have much more important problems than the passwords the thieves might steal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chyron 221 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gilgamesh_48 said: that is not a problem if you use a password manager (or a clipboard manager like I do) If I may digress for a moment... I personally recommend Bitwarden Password Manager. It's open source; has free multi-platform support; and has an option to host your vault locally (instead of on the cloud). Additionally, it can store all your TOTP (2FA) secrets if you pay $10/year for Premium. Having used both LastPass and KeePass, I greatly prefer Bitwarden---it has a responsive dev team, a clean interface, and is inexpensive for quality premium features. And it's far more secure than using a clipboard manager, which probably stores your passwords in plain text. Edited July 12, 2021 by Chyron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh_48 943 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Chyron said: And it's far more secure than using a clipboard manager, which probably stores your passwords in plain text. Actually the one I use is encrypted but that is not why I use it. I just like it because it is easy and it stores a huge amount of data if needed. However if everything was in plain text on my computer what would be the problem? I have no one living with me. I share my connection with nobody. I use a strong VPN. The only way there could be a problem would be a virus or malware and there, too, I am well protected. I am more concerned about data breaches on sites like this one and I am not much concerned about that. Each to their own but I am a belt and suspenders kind of guy for me but for me using a strong password manager is like adding a second and even a third belt with the suspenders. There is a such thing as being too paranoid. Having said all that anyone that uses anti-social media or visits questionable sites or has their computer exposed to people that are not 100% trustworthy should use a strong password manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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