Subtitles / audio track remembering with no start playing

[AAndy 5]

1 minute ago, GrimReaper said:

You should really tone down on those exclamation marks. I understand you are wound-up, but it ain't helping your case. 

You right but you should understand me. When no one want to hear me and asking repeatedly same questions how to stay calm. This function will not harm any users, media, or anything and any whom! And, as I said, server already has it but hidden!

[GrimReaper 3274]

I understand, as stated above, but seeing a thread that looks like an endless row of screaming hardly encourages anyone to take part. Nor it will likely bring you any good-will from either the Devs or the community.

What you need to understand is that there are features that have been requested for years and have not been implemented yet, there's a priority list and only so much can be done in certain timeframe and with limited resources. Do I have some of those? Yep. Does it piss me off? Yep. But not much to do except bump it up every now and then and hope fot the best. 

Edited September 4, 2021 by GrimReaper
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[Carlo 4330]

We all have our own personal request(s) we think should be part of the base and can't imagine why it's not.

I personally want to be able to select the type of audio my system can support (ie DTS-HD and number of tracks) and have the client automatically select the track that will direct play with the most audio tracks vs selecting the default 2 channel audio track. While selecting this for each individual movie isn't a big deal it's a pain when using playlists or TV Shows when the next episode auto plays and drops back to 2 channel (my default) audio track.

So I do sympathize with your request just as @GrimReaper does but know we (users and team) have our own little pet peeves we don't like and would like to have changed. Each new release includes some of these user requested changes.

One of the ways these changes get implemented is via the Request forums where issues can be discussed (both pro and con) to see how the implementation would affect the vast user base.

So lets have a good conversation about this topic which helps everyone.

 

[GrimReaper 3274]

1 minute ago, cayars said:

We all have our own personal request(s) we think should be part of the base and can't imagine why it's not.

Ain't that the truth. Sometimes that "imagining" part is really hard to cope with.

[AAndy 5]

9 minutes ago, cayars said:

how the implementation would affect the vast user base.

can you explain me how this function may harm users? And again, you din't listened to me. I am not asking for something NEW ONE function. Server ALREADY has this function, but it is hidden!
Can you explain what difference between you change audio/sub track at playback or at item card? And how it may harm you? If you do change track at playback and it is stored whats difference FOR YOU if users can make this change at item card? Is it harm you? Or harm your media? Or is it not comfortable to you? What's? Users' who do not need this function even not observe this. But those of us, who need that, we will big appreciate you!

@GrimReaper I understand that. But I am programmer and I know that I say. Emby already has this function. And it is working exactly how I need! But the problem is in the other point. This function changed tracks on playback only. I asked only for bring, or show (more correct) this function in front of. It very simple! Really! For those of you, who want to change tracks while playback - nothing changes. Bu even you will get a more comfortable change tracks ability. It is good for all. Not for me only!

@Luke and @ebr. Fast research pointed on some users' questions, which this function totally resolves!

Change default audio and subtitles language for all episodes in series

Selected audio track not playing

Remember audio and subtitles selection per TV show

And @crusher11. I am so sorry you are not take a work for learn this thread before posted your opinion. If you'd read this thread, you can see this function totally resolve your issue!

[Carlo 4330]

I did already mention one bad outcome this could have.  Anyone just looking at subs to see what's there could accidentally change this without the intention of doing that.  If it doesn't get saved until playback starts then this can't happen.  Keep in mind a lot of people use Emby for curating their media and do things like this even if you don't.  So we have to be careful not to adjust a function for one or two people and break existing functionality for others.

Presently this information is saved with the existing playback data so a change like this would alter how existing functionality works behind the scenes.  It's not as simple as you imagine it working and not having all the info expected to be written about playback could break other apps and parts of the system.

So any change like this needs to be done with care and a lot of testing.  So obviously there needs to be a bunch of people behind the request or other work being done on the same part of the system to justify making any changes.  Right now I think you are the only person requesting this so it's important to get others behind it and supporting it.

[AAndy 5]

16 minutes ago, cayars said:

Anyone just looking at subs to see what's there could accidentally change this without the intention of doing that.

Really? Did you come up it with just now, right? If they are accidentally change this - they are can to change this back by same way! So in other words, you said other users should fit to some few non-accurate users? And you are totally don't want to read thread before posting. I suggested implement checkbox at setting page for prevent using this function! And why are you told me for difficult? I said I am programmer and I know it is not difficult! It is very simple and no one user get hurts!

16 minutes ago, cayars said:

Right now I think you are the only person requesting this so it's important to get others behind it and supporting it.

Again, really? I posted four links with the users' issues which this function may totally resolve! And it is only fast search.

Edited September 4, 2021 by andrey062006

[Carlo 4330]

Yes really.  A lot of people are not computer literate or good with technology and things like this will happen especially if current functionality is changed.  I certainly don't think it's a large scale problem but people do this and it's something that needs to be given attention.

The current implementation of saving this data with media watched status however is the main things that would need changing for the server and the apps which is by far the larger issue for a change like this.

[AAndy 5]

4 minutes ago, cayars said:

if current functionality is changed.

CURRENT FUNCTIONALITY WILL NOT BE CHANGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If they are change tracks due playback - they still will be do the same! Oh, I actually don't want to talk with you. You are totally blind and deaf and so fixated at your fictional things, so you don't listen others! Please don't comment and posted at this thread if you can. I already got your opinion! You are explained it for me extremely clear! And I don't need more from you are.

[Happy2Play 8252]

Well the tone of your posts will get you warned and or banned.  So tone it down as your tone to Emby staff will not be tolerated.

[AAndy 5]

1 hour ago, Happy2Play said:

Well the tone of your posts will get you warned and or banned.  So tone it down as your tone to Emby staff will not be tolerated.

Okay, So he is can say stupid things and I should silence? All of external apps use an API for exchange data with server. They apps does not need special functions implementation! They apps asking server for data and posting to server progress and some playback changes. He pointed to fiction things and providing fabrication of things in which he not understood, obviously. I too tired explain him and just asked to leave my thread. I don't know what is he the "Support Specialist" at "Tech-Support" (as his profile pointed) but I think he is specialist by Emby manuals. I needed consulting with tech, not with "manuals explainer". He is not programmer obviously but still he trying to point me some what he does not understand! If you are read attentively his posts and mine at this thread, you will see I tried explain him same things every time, but he fixated to something nonsense and stuck in it.
You can ban me or even remove. I see "the help" which Emby providing. Each "specialist" joined to thread for only ask user "what do you want" (even when user wrote about). And then to say something "we are don't interested your opinion because you must do how we want". Okay.
I don't asked special function which need be invented! I ten times wrote: server already has this function. I pointed this in June. Two months later I asked again, and nothing change. I am sorry you are don't know what this function is providing, and I am sorry you do not understand you and your server will not hurt! Read this comment for more info:

I too tired
Plex always contain this function and has not complaint from NO ONE USER ever! But you knows better obviously.
What I can say - I am never seen so stubborn people like here.
Only words and nothing more. "We want to help you". But no one doesn't listen to me! And instead to learn what I saying and tell me "thank you" you want to ban me?! Okay!

[Carlo 4330]

Your being so quick to jump to wrong conclusions about many things. Instead of being hostile, try working with us on your request as you'll find it much easier than trying to bully a change through which will not happen.

What we're trying to understand is the need. Part of that is going through things like I did in my first post to first make sure you're using the current functionality properly. For a change request like this we need to understand the need. Example why would you want subs for some media to display but not for other media.  What is the logic involved, etc.

Sometimes a change can be made a different way than the actual request itself which can be better long term for many more people and that alone can be the difference of it being implemented quickly.

This is what we are trying to flush out.  For example instead of having to manually change each movie or episode individually, is there a way based on use/rule/logic you use, could we automate this for you or other users of your system.

None of this is to say it couldn't be implemented at the individual media level but we're not there yet and it's not quite as simple as you think it is.

3 hours ago, andrey062006 said:

CURRENT FUNCTIONALITY WILL NOT BE CHANGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If they are change tracks due playback - they still will be do the same!

You gave a partial working SQL early on so you know the table that would need updating.  But if the media hasn't been played yet by that user there is nothing to update. So a new record would need to be added and this is a change in functionality that has potential to mess up other things people do like reporting.  I'm not saying it will but could and these are all things that need to be taken into consideration when making changes that could affect all users of every system.

So please try to work with us and stop thinking we don't understand your request.  We do, but we also need to take into consideration many other things as well and may want to explore other ways of achieving this that could benefit more people than just yourself.

Talking about these things and trying to understand the logic of why it's needed is part of the process.

[AAndy 5]

@cayars please, stop talkin' with me. I don't want to answer you. YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW SERVER WORKING INSIDE! And I do not want to talk with you! LEAVE MY THREAD!

7 hours ago, cayars said:

Instead of being hostile, try working with us on your request as you'll find it much easier than trying to bully a change through which will not happen.

Oh, yes, especially with you, blind, deaf, don't understand man, who don't listen what I do say and don't want to listen!

Why you do still post here if you don't want to listen?! It is rhetorical question. Please, please, leave my thread and don't post any message here. YOU DO NO UNDERSTAND CASE I TALKING ABOUT AND YOU DON'T WANT!

And I will not explain you AGAIN same things as I explain in each post because you don't want to see and hear! PLEASE, LEAVE MY THREAD AND WILL NEVER ANSWER ME! STOP POSTING GARBAGE HERE! STOP MESSING THIS THREAD! Just go, leave, stop posting here! I don't want to talk with you!

Moderators. Is anyone can stop him? He don't read my answers and posted again and again things, explained by me. He don't want to help me. He want to piss me off. He is provoker and he provoke me to write something to get ban! Obviously, he has a fun of me! Moderators, please, stop this provoker. He hates me, obviously, because in other thread he used the same technical to mocking me!

This is not opinions exchange and even not discussion. He is imposing his wrong opinion in thread he does not understand and do not want to understand. And posting tons of message to discredit my question!

Edited September 5, 2021 by andrey062006

[CBers 6766]

13 minutes ago, andrey062006 said:

Moderators. Is anyone can stop him? He don't read my answers and posted again and again things, explained by me. He don't want to help me. He want to piss me off. He is provoker and he provoke me to write something to get ban! Obviously, he has a fun of me! Moderators, please, stop this provoker. He hates me, obviously, because in other thread he used the same technical to mocking me!

This is not opinions exchange and even not discussion. He is imposing his wrong opinion in thread he does not understand and do not want to understand. And posting tons of message to discredit my question!

@cayars is our Tech Support representative and he has a good understanding of how Emby works. 

He is trying to assist you, but the tone of your posts isn't helping. 

@ebr offered you an interim solution, but you say that doesn't work.

Perhaps you can explain how/why that doesn't work and then @cayarscan help you better.

Any further outbursts, could result in a temporary, or even a permanent ban. 

Thanks. 

 

[AAndy 5]

8 minutes ago, CBers said:

@ebr offered you an interim solution, but you say that doesn't work.

Perhaps you can explain how/why that doesn't work

I explained. I posted payload which I used. I am not deeply looked up payload parameters. I had may skip some non-optional parameters. But I explain CPU usage was increased at this simulation. So it is not the way even if it works.

12 minutes ago, CBers said:

@cayarscan help you better.

I don't want help from him! He is don't read my answers and dont want to read and doesn't trying to understand!

13 minutes ago, CBers said:

@cayars is our Tech Support representative and he has a good understanding of how Emby works. 

Maybe, but obviously he is not programmer. He doesn't understand what I am writing! And he is messing my thread by over posting to discredit my question! I already read all articles of this support! And I don't want to talk with him anymore.

[Abobader 2942]

What is this? You request something, then a requested been done, you explained your point, ok, then for you that the end, what next if you ask? Wait for the main Emby dev's to approve it or rejected it, or maybe to be consider in the future for feature added in a time.

We done here explaining.

Now, what I did not like in this thread, you attacking one of our team @cayars  , then the one of the main Emby dev @ebr and that need to be stopped and never happens again in this community forum.

[Abobader 2942]

6 minutes ago, andrey062006 said:

And I don't want to talk with him anymore

That fine, then Luke and Ebr already answer this feature request thread of your, so no need for your to reply or explain or seeking for help any more, just simply wait hoping this may happens one day.

Thanks.

[Carlo 4330]

4 hours ago, andrey062006 said:

Maybe, but obviously he is not programmer. He doesn't understand what I am writing! And he is messing my thread by over posting to discredit my question! I already read all articles of this support! And I don't want to talk with him anymore.

You could not be more wrong on both counts as I program in over a dozen computer languages as well as understand your request. But as any good programmer or system designer knows you listen to customers to get their feedback and requests, then dissect the request to see if there is an underlying problem or issue that the software doesn't already handle. 

What we do not understand and you haven't explained in this thread or other linked threads is the need for this change. You have made clear what you would like, but haven't given an answer why this is needed as Emby should be able to already handle this with proper curated media.

Emby currently supports setting up automatic selection based on language of audio and subs.  It can display subs only when the audio language is not your default language, It can be set to never show subs, always show subs, only show fixed subs, use smart selections or use the media's default marked audio and sub tracks.  Emby can even download subtitles in different languages (when available) for you on media not in the language of your choice.

These choices almost always cover user needs for basic auto selection and of course still allow changes to be made at playback time for oddball media or exceptions. If this doesn't work we need to understand why it doesn't work so it can possibly be improved. We need specific examples to show what isn't working and how you would manually override choices and why you choose the alternates tracks. We need to understand this logic which hasn't been given.

When these options do not work or when someone claims to need to manually mark thousands of files manually that is usually an indication the person's media is not setup as best it could be for use with Emby. If the media itself doesn't have tracks marked correctly for language selection then of course Emby won't be able to pick tracks correctly but that's a problem with the media, not Emby. If there is a problem with playing certain types of sub that do not work, that is a different issue that can be fixed if properly reported.

These are things we need to uncover to get to the root of the issue vs making a change that is likely band-aid solution to a different problem or issue which is yet to be explained.

If there is a situation where the media is tagged correctly but the built in logic can't automatically select correct tracks there is a solution for this already built in. Emby can read the info for the media and use the default marked track for both audio and subs during playback. This is one of the choices already provided in Emby. This allows the admin to pre-mark default tracks (in the media itself) that Emby will be honored during playback. This gives total control to the admin for which tracks should be the default while still allowing other users of the system to make selection choices based on language and auto selection.

So to sum up we need to understand why existing functionality doesn't work for you and if this is an issue with Emby or the media itself. This information has not been established.

If you would like to continue a dialog on this in a civil manner, please give us a couple of specific examples of your current settings and explain why they do not work for you and how you would manually remedy this with alternate track selections. Otherwise we can leave the feature request as is without an explanation or understanding of why this is needed.

[chowbok 77]

I would like to see this as well. None of the subtitle modes work for me in every case, and that's fine; it's not psychic. But if I change its guess, I don't want to have to play the video for a second to get it to stick.