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#21 rikiwi ONLINE  

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 07:19 PM

Thanks Krusty

I will start a new thread tomorrow - just leaving for the day.

 

I have realized with  <UseRecLibraryWatcher>false</UseRecLibraryWatcher>

I now can't start watching a channel live that is still being recorded. But I can live with that at the moment. I'll do more testing on this factor tomorrow.

 

​Thanks again for all your help and for developing such great products. 



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Posted 06 August 2014 - 07:22 PM

There may be other problems too, but I will try to figure out why it is causing a problem so we can enable it again.



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Posted 08 August 2014 - 07:14 PM

It seems that my post just above was too hasty. I can in fact still watch Live TV whilst recording. I'll get back to you if this changes with future updates to the sever.

 

On further testing I notice that if I watch the same channel I'm recording it gets deleted at the end and a schedule for the same program at its next airtime gets set. Even though i never set series recording.  ^_^

 

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 07:38 AM

Recording is still buggy with ServerWMC running.

I just arrived home and had set 2 programs on the same channel to be recorded. But the first one wasn't recorded but is in the scheduled page for a re-run tomorrow. The second program was about to finish, so I watched the guide and when the end time came up the Rad record dot in the guide disappeared. On opening the Recordings page the active recording image had gone.

I'll do some more testing tomorrow without ServerWMC running.

 

I'm using the latest Dev. build of MB Server - Version 3.0.5332.42399



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Posted 09 August 2014 - 02:27 PM

Can you follow these instructions:

http://windows.micro...n-your-computer

 

and see what wmc says about why the program didn't record?



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Posted 10 August 2014 - 02:09 AM

Hi Krusty

 

I have gone through the article and checked all my settings in WMC. It's been a while since I last looked at it.

 

I then did 3 recording with Serverwmc not unning - result, perfect recordings.

Then I repeated 3 new recording with it running - Result; as each program ended I saw it disappear from the Recordings page on MBServer.

 

Note 1:

I have still got the config.xml file of serverwmc set to:

  <UseRecLibraryWatcher>false</UseRecLibraryWatcher>

Note 2:

I do not use the default folder for Recorded TV. I have always moved this to: F:\Recorded TV

Note 3:

My PC/server never goes to sleep

Note 4:

I do not run any backups for this folder

 

I'm not sure if any of this helps. Please let me know if you need any logs



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Posted 10 August 2014 - 12:20 PM

Hi @rikiwi,

 

Sorry I wasn't clear, I didn't want you to recheck your settings (but it doesn't hurt :)) I just wanted you to read the part where it tells you how to figure out why wmc failed to do a recording, I was thinking that might be a clue as to what is causing this problem. 

 

So follow the instruction it describes in the section:

Why didn't my TV show record?

And see if wmc explains why the recording failed.

 

The fact that you don't use the default folder is no problem.  You seem to be saying that the recording is happening, but for some reason the file is deleted at the end of the recording, right?  I am now wondering if it has something to do with the metadata being written to the file, which happens as soon as the recording stops.  Any chance they deleted file is moved to the trash folder?  Also does all the metadata in the guide for episodes show up correctly?

 

Also are you running any other software the monitors your recording after they complete, like comskip, mcebuddy or a script?



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Posted 11 August 2014 - 02:10 AM

Hi @krustyreturns

Once I got to WMC/Recorded TV/View Scheduled/History; I knew this is what you were referring to.

The recordings that got deleted showed something like "program terminated due to computer shutdown".

 

In my next post I'll copy the exact phrase from WMC for any recording failures.

 

Interestingly today I have been recording various programs all day, without any failures, just slight variations in the padding.

 

I just had a thought :o - EPG Collector, my TV scraper, also collects metadata for any found channels and puts it into WMC. I wonder if this is interfering with ServerWMC. I'll turn off this function and do more testing and see what results I get.



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Posted 11 August 2014 - 06:10 AM

Hi @krustyreturns

Back again.

 

I set another recording this evening and ended up with nothing being recorded, and the Recycle Bin was empty.

Here is the description in WMC History:

   " Recording of Campbell Live began late on 11/08/2014 7:17:44 pm due to a temporary failure caused by either a system malfunction or a power loss and was manually stopped on 11/08/2014 7:17:47      pm for use by another component."

So this looks as if I have done something on my PC at the time of the recording. i'm sure I was having dinner at the time.

 

I'll set more up in the morning and make sure I'm not touching the server during the process.

 

BTW where in Windows are the metadata files kept for recorded TV?



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Posted 11 August 2014 - 07:37 PM

Windows stores the metadata for a recording directly in the wtv file tags after a recording stops.  Did you get the above failure after you turned off epg collector?



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Posted 12 August 2014 - 10:27 PM

Sorry for getting back so late, but I have been testing off and on with mixed results - even after stopping EPG Collector's scheduled run. I will just run this as needed towards the end of the week as the guide get emptied out.

 

Most programs have recorded OK with minor padding discrepancies, as usual (I have now changed padding to 3 mins. / 3 mins)

 

The odd program has been truncated by several minutes at the beginning, then I notice that it has been scheduled to record the next day, even though I never ever set series recordings. So it look like it's making sure I record the program if some is missed form the previous recording.

I'll keep trying different combinations and keeping notes of the results.

 

Another question? After deleting a recording the .wtv file is deleted from the Recorded TV folder, but the .jpg for the recorded program remains. Does ServerWMC clean these out periodically or do I need to delete these manually?



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Posted 13 August 2014 - 05:18 PM

Wmc always reschedules a recording that fails if it can find another airing in the guide. 

 

You are making the padding optional so wmc is not really obligated to give you that padding and in conserving tuner usage in many cases it does not, so I wouldn't get hung up on whether you are getting the exact padding you wanted.  If you insist that the padding be there, then go ahead an turn 'forced' padding back on. 

 

I can't tell by your post if recordings are still failing, or whether its just padding that is having a problem.  If turning off epg collector seems to have worked, then consider turning the recordingwatcher back on - I would really like to know if that can cause a problem.

 

I'm a little confused about these jpgs.  Serverwmc does not store jpg's for wtv files, if it finds then in the EPG it just passes them onto MBS.  MBS caches them in it database, and I assume it will clean them out eventually, but I actually don't know.



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Posted 17 August 2014 - 10:22 PM

Sorry Krusty for taking so long to get back.

 

Last Friday WMC started crashing on opening and the only way to get it working was to uninstall Win7 SP1, and add all the Win Updates back. So a lot of time wasted.

 

After testing again with EPG Collecter off, I still got some good recordings and some failures.

 

I am now running everything pretty much as I was at first and am still getting some recordings perfect and some failures. When a failure occurs, nothing is recorded but it gets re-scheduled for the next play date. As you suggested I'm not getting too hung up with the padding, but am now re- trying forcing it in ServerWMC. I have also turned the Recordingwatcher back on.

 

I'm still getting .jpg images of recorded programs remaining in the folder (see attached) even after I have deleted the recording. I know I never had these before I started using MBServer. It's not a biggie, I just delete them manually from time to time.

 

I'll get back to you when I start getting perfect recordings consistently. Sorry I haven't been of much help.

 

 



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 07:05 PM

I don't get these jpg images in the rec tv folder using MBS, so I don't know where these are coming from.  Are you running some other plugin that's monitoring the rec tv folder and generating these jpgs??  Maybe that's what's causing the problem.



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 10:56 PM

Yes you may be right....

 

All I have ever run is EPG Collector that scrapes for TV programming and also looks up Movies and TV Series metadata. I'm sure I have tried turning off the metadata look-ups, but i'll try again and check the Recorded TV folder afterwards.

I run WMC obviously.

MB Server (not as a service) at bootup

ServerWMC at bootup

I also have installed MBT and MBC (not starting at bootup)

...and that's it.

 

I hope that helps.



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Posted 28 August 2014 - 10:58 PM

Back again, but have been testing TV Recording every day.

 

Generally recording are OK, with the odd one missing and being re-scheduled. 

I now have 5/5min. padding. 

Recordingwatcher is on.

EPG Collector runs every hour (to keep guide up to date)

 

However i'm still getting poster .jpg files remaining after recordings have been deleted. (See attached snips.) Should I start a new thread in another area?

The images show conclusively that the poster jpg's are being added by MBServer and not EPG Collector, of ServerWMC.

 



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 07:09 PM

We need somebody from the MBS team to say if it generates these jpg files, all I can say is that I only run (on the server) wmc & serverwmc & MBS and I have never noticed these jpgs being created.  MBS imports program images, but it stores them in its database so far as I know. 

 

Does EPG collector also gather images?  Maybe the reason I don't see this happening is that the wmc guide has program images so MBS gets the images from serverwmc and maybe therefore doesn't generate images on the fly.  So maybe in your case it is generating these images - but I still don't get why it is storing them in the same folder.

 

Of course we also don't know if the jpg generation is somehow related to the rec fails.  I can't recall (and I am too lazy to go back and look):  Do the wtv  fails happen close to when the rec stops or when the rec begins?  Also, does wmc ever report a different reason for why the rec fails other than the one you posted?



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 07:23 PM

Sorry to jump in here but those jpgs are created by MBS because you must have added your Recorded TV folder as a library folder?

When MBS scans all folders it will create those if there are no other folder images (not exactly sure of the logic) as I've seen it on test folders in my setup.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 07:27 PM

@Latchmor don't apologize, I needed some ideas, I have been shooting blanks on this thread for a while now.  @rikiwi please check and if you did add it as a library folder then remove it and see what happens with the recording reliability.  It this can really cause recordings to fail it would be important to know.



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 08:12 PM

Ok cool it was just cos I didn't read the rest of the thread until after I posted and thought you may have covered this before. You haven't though.

 

See below my Test media folder with a couple files in it and MBS has extracted images for them same as rikiwi's pic above.

 

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