ebr 14904 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 24 minutes ago, PristDean said: BBC2 HD (Does not load) Res 1920 x 1080 Frame Rate 25 fps Direct Play VCodec H264 Direct ACodec AAC_LATM (local downmix) Is this channel 1080p? Perhaps that is the problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PristDean 13 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) Yes.. why is that a problem ? all default setting from my point of view Edited July 14, 2020 by PristDean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Could be getting both 1080 interlaced and 1080 progressive on different channels. Typically 1080 broadcast is interlaced while 720 is progressive. Could you check a few more channels (good and bad) and report back what you find especially if interlaced or not (like above)? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PristDean 13 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) Film 4 - almost instant load.... Play method - Direct Res 720x576 VCodec MPEG2 Direct ACodec MP2 local downmix 25fps Horror Channel - Will not load....Play Method - Ditrect Res 544 x 676 VCodec MPEG2 Direct ACodec MP2 local downmix 25 fps No interlacing Edited July 14, 2020 by PristDean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14904 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Okay, so I'm thinking maybe it is the UK 1080p h264 channels that won't play without transcoding...? We're trying to narrow this down so that we can make the app "just work" instead of having to tweak all of these options. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, PristDean said: Film 4 - almost instant load.... Play method - Direct Res 720x576 VCodec MPEG2 Direct ACodec MP2 local downmix 25fps Horror Channel - Will not load....Play Method - Ditrect Res 544 x 676 VCodec MPEG2 Direct ACodec MP2 local downmix 25 fps No interlacing Is that a typo on MP2 or is it actually MP2 and not MP3 audio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PristDean 13 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, cayars said: Is that a typo on MP2 or is it actually MP2 and not MP3 audio? No, not a typo... most definitely listed as above 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Thanks for double checking. By all means keep posting what you find but if you can keep a list of all of this in case we want a list from different users to compare. That could be most useful to have in one place! Thanks so much for your help, it's greatly appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_1959 2 Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 10 hours ago, cayars said: @Dave_1959 have you tried what ebr suggested above? What we need to do is determine what channels that play have in common and what the channels that don't do have in common with each other. This will help eliminate one set of variables dealing with interlaced content. Sorry been called away from home for a few days. Yes I did try it and responded, see my post after ebr corrected post re the wrong way round. Can't test again as away but my posts above show that BBC1 HD worked without transcoding Showing Direct Play, and also with transcoding(triggered by deinterlacing) where as ITV 1 HD would only work with the deinterlacing option set. Both showed reason as Interlaced video which suggests both are interlaced. Does that match what you found @PristDean ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_1959 2 Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 29 minutes ago, ebr said: Okay, so I'm thinking maybe it is the UK 1080p h264 channels that won't play without transcoding...? Not sure as I was showing "Interlaced video" as the transcoding reason on ITV 1 HD with the deinterlaced option set. This is one of the channels that doesn't load for me in "direct play" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_1959 2 Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, ebr said: We're trying to narrow this down so that we can make the app "just work" instead of having to tweak all of these options. Fully understand that and appreciate the effort . Just sorry I'm stuck away for a few days so can't unfortunately test further to help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 I'd be interested in knowing the frame rates of these channels as well especially if 1080p. IE are they 25 or 50 fps. I could understand how frame doubled streams could muck things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_1959 2 Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 hours ago, PristDean said: ITV HD (Does load) Res 1920 x 1080 Frame Rate 25 fps Interlaced VCodec H264 ACodec AAC_LATM BBC2 HD (Does not load) Res 1920 x 1080 Frame Rate 25 fps Direct Play VCodec H264 Direct ACodec AAC_LATM (local downmix) @PristDean is this the right way round as I found that BBC2 HD would load in both Direct Play (deinterlacing disabled) and transcode ( deinterlacing enabled) But ITV 1 HD would only load with transcoding ( via deinterlacing enabled) and not in Direct play. In both deinterlacing cases the reason given was "interlaced video" suggesting that both channels are 1080i. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PristDean 13 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) Interesting... after messing about with settings in the Emby client.... I started to get "Unable to tune to channel at this time" for s lot of channels, but not all. Turns out my HDHR had all 4 tuners stuck on HD channels I had tuned to, any of which Emby would tune into... but nothing else. HDHR reboot to fix ! Edited July 14, 2020 by PristDean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Did you by chance adjust Allow Direct Play of TS Files? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PristDean 13 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, cayars said: Did you by chance adjust Allow Direct Play of TS Files? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Just something to keep in mind. For any testing to be valid we need the same settings used across the channels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_1959 2 Posted July 15, 2020 Author Share Posted July 15, 2020 12 hours ago, PristDean said: Interesting... after messing about with settings in the Emby client.... I started to get "Unable to tune to channel at this time" for s lot of channels, but not all. Turns out my HDHR had all 4 tuners stuck on HD channels I had tuned to, any of which Emby would tune into... but nothing else. HDHR reboot to fix ! @PristDean I've had this a few times but usually when opening a stream in Chromium - Which I believe is another known issue. It also leaves data streaming to the Transcode Temp files folder filling up the disk. I've always rebooted Emby Server to fix as this as it also forced a clean up of the Transcoding Temp Files folder and reset the HDHR channels (no need to reboot HDHR). You might want to check your Transcoding Temp Files folder if you haven't restarted Emby just in case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PristDean 13 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 (edited) Thanks, my setup is as below: Managed hub with HDHR, NVidia Shield (running app) & Synology NAS (running server) all connected on the same VLAN. Never seen that tuner lockup behaviour before. But have to say the Emby app performance is worse than before the latest update. Fixing the 'No programmes available' when scrolling the guide but has introduced a failure to close a stream bug which presents a blank screen and continued sound with the app non responsive for about a minute. Very frustrating Edited July 15, 2020 by PristDean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 What is the "managed hub" you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_1959 2 Posted July 15, 2020 Author Share Posted July 15, 2020 My setup is similar except I don't use my Synology for Emby as it's an older none intel unit (1515+) so wouldn't hardware transcode. I use a i5 win 10 box for Emby server leaving the Synology for Home Assistant ( in docker) and NAS. This is the first emby install I've done (got fed up paying Sky). And having tested similar products I have to say that Emby is probably the overall best despite some of these issues. Although nextpvr with Kodi (and suitable skin) comes close especially if local lan use is the main criteria. Still worth checking you transcoding temp folder though. @cayars I believe @PristDean means a managed network switch when he says "managed hub" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PristDean 13 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, cayars said: What is the "managed hub" you speak of? NETGEAR 5-Port Gigabit Ethernet Smart Managed Hub 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PristDean 13 Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 It's late, just installed and configured Kodi as I can no longer use Emby for Live TV without the application causing my HDHR to overheat and lock through Emby locking locking channels. To clear channels I have to force quit the Emby app and clear cache. Until that's fixed, only started with recent release, it's Kodi. Kodi nowhere near as nice or professional looking, but performance is good and it plays nicely with HDHR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PristDean 13 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Checked again this morning.... one channel tuned in via Emby, then after an hour attempted to close and return to guide. A full 15 seconds with a black TV screen and the channel's sound still playing before Emby attempts to get back to the guide. Looking at my transode folder show a file of 1.2gb remaining, HDHR shows one tuner locked, only an Emby server restart removes the the transode file and releases the tuner. Nothing has changed on my side, all latest production versions installed. Prior to the last Emby client update all was working just fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_1959 2 Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) @PristDean, looks like I'll be away until Tuesday evening so can't test to see if I'm getting the same, but I wasn't before I left last week. Has there been a new Android emby client released? Thinking back though I may have had the tuner locks when I'd been playing with EmbyCon and Kodi but can't be certain now Try loading an alternative Kodi skin as I found that helps the UI a lot. There's even one that emulates Emby. Second best I've found to emby is nextpvr with Kodi skinned using embury or Amber. Certainly not as nice operationally but for local lan live TV and recording performance was very good. No speed issues or lockups. When I'm back I'll test for the delay going back to guide and the lockups. Edited July 19, 2020 by Dave_1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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