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CathMowr
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Aloha community,

one giant emby noob speaking, and so I have a problem. I hope I am in the right place and find an answer here, if I missed crucial details in order to find a solution please tell me, if should post somewhere else tell me too!

So I want to set up Emby as my primary media player on OS X and IOS and started playing around with it. I set up my NAS with the server and whatnot and then started pulling some audio onto the server to see if Emby recognizes it. It does. But. The folder is called 20syl and emby does not want to make an artist out of it. Shows up under the Album (unclickable), but not in the artist section. So I pull out my ID3 Tag Editor to see if there is something wrong with the file. Nope. What's happening? Other artists work kind of fine. I had some problems with special signs like accents in french titles but hey. You cant have it all..

But! My guess is that the number in the beginning causes Problems but what can I do to make this work?

I'd be extremely happy if somebody could tell me a way of correctly preparing files for Emby so that it reliably works. Sorry if this might be an old question but i couldn't find any valuable information concerning this topic.

Thanks in advance!

EDIT : I noticed that when i try to edit the metadata in emby it doesnt show an artist or an album artist as well. When i write it down and save it just says okay but nothing happens. When i reopen the section its gone. Refreshing metadata via the 3 points does nothing as well.

 

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Luke

@CathMowr Emby doesn't create artists based on your folders, but rather it uses the embedded ID3 tags within the files. Does this answer your question?

If you're still having an issue can you provide a sample track for testing? Thanks !

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CathMowr

Hey Luke,

 

thanks for the answer. I know about the ID3 Tags and that Emby doesn't give a shit about the folders/files actual name (great!) but the problem was, as mentioned above, another one. 

The files were properly tagged, at least thats what iTunes and ID3 Tag editor showed me, but Emby seem to had problems recognizing some of them. 

Thats why I asked which software would be recommended to write proper ID3s in my files so that Emby is happy..

I kinda solved my problem, i work with MusicBrainz Picard now, but it can be a bit tedious at times, so i would be thrilled to know what an Emby official like you recommends to get those tags right.. Music Brainz is great for big Artists but its a bit annoying when you have to write an entry and wait for a week to get it verified in case you wanna have correct metadata for an underground artist. Or maybe I am just doing stuff wrong, idk.

Anyways, thanks for writing back.

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CathMowr

Ok, so I have another question

Why is Emby not showing any feature Artists on Tracks.. Today I tried some Albums with featured Artists on them and Emby just doesn't recognise them. They are labeled correctly on MusicBrainz under Artists, I tag my files with via MBP, import them into Emby and.. Nothing. When I try to edit Metadata via Emby there is nothing there.

Honestly, Emby works great for movies and TV series so far but organising my music has been a pain in the buttocks. Why is everything so dam complicated?

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Luke
On 7/10/2020 at 6:26 PM, CathMowr said:

Hey Luke,

 

thanks for the answer. I know about the ID3 Tags and that Emby doesn't give a shit about the folders/files actual name (great!) but the problem was, as mentioned above, another one. 

The files were properly tagged, at least thats what iTunes and ID3 Tag editor showed me, but Emby seem to had problems recognizing some of them. 

Thats why I asked which software would be recommended to write proper ID3s in my files so that Emby is happy..

I kinda solved my problem, i work with MusicBrainz Picard now, but it can be a bit tedious at times, so i would be thrilled to know what an Emby official like you recommends to get those tags right.. Music Brainz is great for big Artists but its a bit annoying when you have to write an entry and wait for a week to get it verified in case you wanna have correct metadata for an underground artist. Or maybe I am just doing stuff wrong, idk.

Anyways, thanks for writing back.

Around here Picard is the most recommended. @ginjaninja may have other suggestions.

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On 7/12/2020 at 6:16 PM, CathMowr said:

Ok, so I have another question

Why is Emby not showing any feature Artists on Tracks.. Today I tried some Albums with featured Artists on them and Emby just doesn't recognise them. They are labeled correctly on MusicBrainz under Artists, I tag my files with via MBP, import them into Emby and.. Nothing. When I try to edit Metadata via Emby there is nothing there.

Honestly, Emby works great for movies and TV series so far but organising my music has been a pain in the buttocks. Why is everything so dam complicated?

Best thing to do is make sure they are tagged this way with Picard, then run a library scan and emby server will pick up the changes. If you still have trouble after that then let's please go over an example. Thanks.

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On 7/12/2020 at 11:16 PM, CathMowr said:

Ok, so I have another question

Why is Emby not showing any feature Artists on Tracks.. Today I tried some Albums with featured Artists on them and Emby just doesn't recognise them. They are labeled correctly on MusicBrainz under Artists, I tag my files with via MBP, import them into Emby and.. Nothing. When I try to edit Metadata via Emby there is nothing there.

Honestly, Emby works great for movies and TV series so far but organising my music has been a pain in the buttocks. Why is everything so dam complicated?

emby does not understand 'feat' (or any other  'connecting' words) in the Artist tag.

as well as supporting multiple artists in the  Artist tag separated by eg '/', emby does understand some or all* of ArtistS tag (eg. Robert Plant/Alison Krauss) and MUSICBRAINZ_ARTISTID tag (eg. bd53f9a7-8be9-46b0-bf7d-1deea3cb57bc/6b064ead-91a4-4ac8-8076-b1febe4f4aac)

these tags are both written by MBP. Its unclear to me on how these tags are used and which take priority, but the bottom line if the files are pushed through Picard multiple artists seem to work.  these 'MBP tags' do override the Artist tag.

for underground content (not indexed on mbz) i use Mp3tag and separate artists in the Artist tag with a '/' taking care to use a single tagging version in my files eg id3v2.3 UTF-16 for predictable results. You will have to accept the loss of connecting words like 'feat.' in tracks with multiple artists. YMMV on which of multiple artists are listed in which order on the track and the 'view artist' jump command only applies to the 1st artist.

this is what one of my multi artist (and multi albumartist) tracks looks like in mp3tag for comparisonCapture.JPG.e0adee977a8685e1abacbfe907f9e9d3.JPG

note on my system the artist [tag] "Robert Plant & Alison Krauss" is overridden by one or all of the Artists/MBZ_ARTISTID [tags], so Emby sees the track artist as two artists.

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Ok. So.

I tried 3 different versions this time. 

Version 1

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The way MBP has this release in it's database. Note the feat. in Artist. Even if Emby doesn't care about this everything should be fine after Import because MBP ID is there and Artists differentiates the Artists correctly.

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The way MP3Tag shows me the file. 

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What Emby shows. No other Artists except Rocky.

Version 2

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So i tried writing the artists in the "artist" section in MBP. Dirty but okay, i am not going to wait a week to get an edit approval on Music Brainz.

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What MP3Tag shows me.

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What Emby shows me. Nothing.

In Version 3 I tried the same dirty trick with "/" but still... Nothing. Please @Luke / @ginjaninja help me. If I can supply you with anything say so, but please help. I really want this to work.

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ginjaninja
53 minutes ago, CathMowr said:

Ok. So.

I tried 3 different versions this time. 

Version 1

2033893552_TESTING-01-MBP.thumb.png.a9c0039f9c67cf0b1cd8f1f031e0ffc4.png

The way MBP has this release in it's database. Note the feat. in Artist. Even if Emby doesn't care about this everything should be fine after Import because MBP ID is there and Artists differentiates the Artists correctly.

1259666769_TESTING-01-MP3TAG.thumb.png.cce4394a229ddf4667269e6a4c1f85b6.png

The way MP3Tag shows me the file. 

1916919457_TESTING-01-EMBY.thumb.png.ddcf213dba7e61242326fee26670e7cf.png

What Emby shows. No other Artists except Rocky.

Version 2

 1875180517_TESTING-02-MBP.thumb.png.3ecb0a0c57336d6c9a18dc2b7073799a.png

So i tried writing the artists in the "artist" section in MBP. Dirty but okay, i am not going to wait a week to get an edit approval on Music Brainz.

1867716761_TESTING-02-MP3TAG.thumb.png.d47e55614ad5e9d56b00a6f967ce1242.png

What MP3Tag shows me.

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What Emby shows me. Nothing.

In Version 3 I tried the same dirty trick with "/" but still... Nothing. Please @Luke / @ginjaninja help me. If I can supply you with anything say so, but please help. I really want this to work.

your tags look ok and i would have thought would work, albeit you are using ';' as separator in Artists and MBZ_ARISTID tags, i use '/' but i think ';' should also work.

maybe there is a refresh/scanning/ffprobe issue.. i would zip up a multi artist track or two and pm them will see if they work on my system.

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CathMowr

";" should work, got recommended somewhere here on the forums.

Check your inbox, you got a DM.

 

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Luke

@ginjaninja were you able to try them?

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ginjaninja
22 hours ago, Luke said:

@ginjaninja were you able to try them?

tried a few files and i can make them work by tagging them properly, @cathmowr is trying a couple of suggestions to track down where things are falling over...looks like its tagging understanding/configuration than any issue but well see.

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Luke

Great, thanks !

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