jordy 284 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) Hey, I'm seeing something very strange today. All my DVD rips - in MKV format @ 480p - are now playing through MBT in letterbox mode (black borders all way around) and I can't figure out what has happened. Blu-Ray rips (MKV @ 1080p) play full screen just fine as does anything else - it's just my DVD rips and this has not happened before. In MBC (Win7) and the MB Win 8.1 app the same files play full screen as expected so I think it's something to do with MBT??? MBT: ver 3.0.5287.42414 MBS: ver 3.0.5289.18702 MBC: 3.0.187.0 6-20.1 MB App (Win8.1): 1.8.2.40 LAV: 60.1 Any ideas ? EDIT: thought I'd mention that I have not changed any settings anywhere (that I can remember anyway) which may have caused this. Edited June 29, 2014 by jordy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElNevera 1 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Hi All I am also having the same issue as above. It happened after upgrading MBT this morning. Any thoughts? Cheers Si Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordy 284 Posted June 30, 2014 Author Share Posted June 30, 2014 Anyone else apart from ElNevera seeing this? @@Sven, @@Luke Thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathsquirrel 741 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 No problem with SD content in MP4 format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordy 284 Posted June 30, 2014 Author Share Posted June 30, 2014 Never had a problem with SD MKV files before either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianW 1052 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 @@jordy - are your rips at full DVD resolution - i.e. 720 x 480 without the black bars cropped. I wonder if MBT is seeing these as 4:3 rips and playing them back as such. All my DVD rips playback properly - but they all have had black bars cropped and the display aspect ratio set appropriately for the content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordy 284 Posted July 1, 2014 Author Share Posted July 1, 2014 @@AdrianW, they are all ripped using MakeMKV, so are my Blu-Rays. Not sure if I can change anything about the AR in that situation. Also, as indicated, haven't had this issue before. You may well be correct but if so it's something that MBT has created very recently. And whybis it only MBT that is having this issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordy 284 Posted July 1, 2014 Author Share Posted July 1, 2014 Here are the mediainfo details for one of my affected DVD rips. Can anyone see a reason why MBT shows this movie in letterbox (black bars all round) mode? Bearing in mind that on all other MB clients & Apps the same movie is shown in widescreen (black bars at top & bottom). Thanks for your assistance https://www.dropbox.com/s/yrruh0yhr1fjkfz/mediainfo.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathsquirrel 741 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 That PNG says your media is 720X576. That's not a 16:9 media file. It should be about 4:3 and most likely it includes black bars at the top already so it should display as you describe. If you have a 16:9 image but it's got letterbox bars built into the image to make it effectively 4:30 then you would need to use a video player or TV that allows you to force a zoom in option. Alternatively you could strip off those bars in something like Handbrake. IMDB says anchorman was filmed at 1.85:1 so if it's 720 wide it should be 380-390 tall not 576. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianW 1052 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 That PNG says your media is 720X576. That's not a 16:9 media file. 720x576 is the full resolution of a PAL DVD - the display aspect ratio is set to 16:9 (anamorphic flag) - which should cause the player to stretch the image sideways to fill the the full 16:9 width. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathsquirrel 741 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 720x576 is the full resolution of a PAL DVD - the display aspect ratio is set to 16:9 (anamorphic flag) - which should cause the player to stretch the image sideways to fill the the full 16:9 width. Interesting, not a source or end format that applies to me so can't test. Presumably the player is not noting or is misinterpreting that flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordy 284 Posted July 1, 2014 Author Share Posted July 1, 2014 OK. I just installed MBT(for the first time) on my wife's widescreen laptop. I did not change any settings in MBT and I got exactly the same result - playback in letterbox mode. On switching to MBC on the same laptop, the same movie plays in full screen. One thing I did notice is that MBC shows a 4:3 icon for the movie whilst MBT shows 480P. Based on comments above, it looks like MBT is not seeing the anamorphic 16:9 flag and is just reading the 720*576 resolution, making it a 5:4 (as calculated by an online AR calculator) and playing it as such. But MBC and MB 8.1 app both see the 16:9 flag and display it accordingly. @@Luke can we find a fix for this please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianW 1052 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I have a number of anamorphically flagged videos - including 720x576 16:9 and they all play correctly in MBT - but they're all h264 encoded rips not MPEG Video. I'll try to remember to rip a DVD movie with MakeMKV tonight and test it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianW 1052 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) I ripped a PAL DVD with MakeMKV just now - and it plays back properly for me in MBT with MadVR switched on - but if I switch off MadVR then it plays back exactly as jordy described. With MadVR switched off, all my anamorphically flagged content plays back smaller than the full width of the screen, so MakeMKV isn't the deciding factor. Here's a screenshot: So, something has gone wrong with the default internal player. Edited July 2, 2014 by AdrianW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harblar 29 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I've been having this exact issue for months, now. http://mediabrowser.tv/community/index.php?/topic/3188-dvd-rips-play-with-incorrect-ar/ Only solution I've been able to find is resizing the window and then maximizing it again. On top of that, MBT won't show run time for DVD rips. Only one audio track is available, even if multiple tracks are present. Chapter flags are ignored and set default at 5 minute increments, but since MBT doesn't recognize the runtime selecting a chapter will start you at the beginning every time. I know there are lots of priorities for MBT, but how is proper support for DVD rips not a top priority? Maybe it's just me experiencing this, but I doubt it. I've installed on three separate pc's and have these issues on each one. Doesn't matter if the DVD rip is a TS video folder or an mkv. Only thing keeping MBT from being a bullet proof setup, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordy 284 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Hey, Thanks for the support on this guys. Hopefully the coming re-write of MBT architecture will fix all this. At least I know it's not just me. In the meantime, I'll have a play with MadVR. cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathsquirrel 741 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) I've been having this exact issue for months, now. http://mediabrowser.tv/community/index.php?/topic/3188-dvd-rips-play-with-incorrect-ar/ Only solution I've been able to find is resizing the window and then maximizing it again. On top of that, MBT won't show run time for DVD rips. Only one audio track is available, even if multiple tracks are present. Chapter flags are ignored and set default at 5 minute increments, but since MBT doesn't recognize the runtime selecting a chapter will start you at the beginning every time. I know there are lots of priorities for MBT, but how is proper support for DVD rips not a top priority? Maybe it's just me experiencing this, but I doubt it. I've installed on three separate pc's and have these issues on each one. Doesn't matter if the DVD rip is a TS video folder or an mkv. Only thing keeping MBT from being a bullet proof setup, IMO. If you mean support of unencrypted dvd/blue-ray rips or ISO equivalents, it's a relatively uncommon way to store movie files. ISO support is experimental and from what folks post, there are quite a few limitations on both of those formats. Sticking the same video file in an MKV wrapper solves quite a few things and still supports all the audio and subtitle tracks. TO each their own of course, but if you want wide compatibility that's just not the format to use. Obviously there may be some issues with some MKVs as well but I'm betting that will get fixed a heck of a lot sooner Edited July 2, 2014 by Deathsquirrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harblar 29 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 No, I'm not talking ISO's. I'm talking DVD rips done with DVD shrink (folder rip) or MKV Rip. Movie only, no menus, and only the audio/subtitle tracks I want. Doesn't matter how it was done, I have these issues in addition to the main point of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A8HTPC 38 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) I too have this issue. Its been a long times since I watched 480p DVD MKv movies on HTPC but I just realized I have the same problem. Movies play perfectly in PowerDVD and VLC player but not in MBT. One movie, XXX is 720x480 16:9 and its got black bars all around. Now the black bars are the black background of MBT and not recorded in the movie so I have additional top bars and fat side bars. I'll snap a pic soon. in the middle of watching it in PowerDVD. Movie was ripped using MakeMKV. worked before, can't tell you when this started, i'll play around with it though. Any news on this? xxx-media-info.xml Edited July 3, 2014 by A8HTPC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordy 284 Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 At the risk of getting someone offside, I find it quite disappointing that none of the Devs have responded to what appears to be a long term and obvious issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordy 284 Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 Just to confirm, enabling MadVR definitely overcomes this problem - a work around, but not a fix. Thanks @@AdrianW, nice call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A8HTPC 38 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) Just to confirm, enabling MadVR definitely overcomes this problem - a work around, but not a fix. Thanks @@AdrianW, nice call I can confirm this as well. Which I really thought I had MadVR enabled so I must have been messing around with MBT once and shut it off while testing something. Forgot to turn it back on. So this does seem to be an issue with the MBT Internal Player. I know it will get fixed eventually. Edited July 3, 2014 by A8HTPC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harblar 29 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Weird! It only occurs for me when MadVr is enabled. I've verified this on two separate pc's. If I disable it everything works as it should... Except for the fact that I lose all the benefits of MadVr, which I really don't want to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A8HTPC 38 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 huh that's odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElNevera 1 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I've enabled madvr and the picture is back to full screen. I didn't have madvr enabled before I did the last update. Cheers Simon Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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