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#41 SHSPVR OFFLINE  

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Posted 29 February 2020 - 05:23 PM

Lol, well if you go up you can see softworkz corrected me on a technicality, I was referring to that post.

 

I think he refer to Audio side of thing which can also done to today in HW Acceleration to but CPU are so fast there no need for it as it using very little resources for that task unlike Video encoding especially when going for HEVC x265 at 4k



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Posted 29 February 2020 - 05:54 PM

I think he refer to Audio side of thing which can also done to today in

HW Acceleration to but

CPU are so fast there no need for it as it using very little resources for that task unlike Video encoding especially when going for HEVC x265 at 4k
Yes he did but maybe read it again to understand. Doesn't really matter anyways

HW Accel =GPU, which can mean a separate graphics card or the internal graphics of the CPU, that was what was being clarified.
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Posted 29 February 2020 - 07:04 PM

Ok here we go. I'll attach the zipped files as well as posting them... Which is 'native' 1080?

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The top as bottom look wash out with less detail



It's the opposite. The bottom one is a direct capture of the 'native' 1080. The top one is transcoded from a 2160 10bit HEVC(L5) SDR to 1080 8bit.

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Posted 29 February 2020 - 09:27 PM


It's the opposite. The bottom one is a direct capture of the 'native' 1080. The top one is transcoded from a 2160 10bit HEVC(L5) SDR to 1080 8bit.

 

Are 100% sure as that me that can't right if look at her throat hell even on mine which DVD you can clearly see there her throat out line 

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Posted 29 February 2020 - 09:45 PM

Are 100% sure as that me that can't right if look at her throat hell even on mine which DVD you can clearly see there her throat out line 

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Yup! I'm positive. 



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Posted 29 February 2020 - 10:17 PM

If you have a full disc rip, it might look a little better. I just used the web rip stuff. I won't waste the space on HD stuff. But the point is that downscaling from 2160 isn't worse than 1080. 


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Posted 29 February 2020 - 11:08 PM

QuickSync hardware acceleration does not consume CPU resources. Hw acceleration is provided by a separate unit/chip that is included in the CPU..

Transcoding will still require CPU resources for audio conversion or copying video data - but that's the same when using a separate GPU board.

 

 

Lol, well if you go up you can see softworkz corrected me on a technicality, I was referring to that post.

 

 

I think he refer to Audio side of thing which can also done to today in HW Acceleration to but CPU are so fast there no need for it as it using very little resources for that task unlike Video encoding especially when going for HEVC x265 at 4k

 

 

Yes he did but maybe read it again to understand. Doesn't really matter anyways

HW Accel =GPU, which can mean a separate graphics card or the internal graphics of the CPU, that was what was being clarified.

 

Exactly. The point here is that in case of Intel, the GPU is part of the CPU. So instead of 

 

Hw acceleration is provided by a separate unit/chip that is included in the CPU.

 

I should have written

 

Hw acceleration is provided by a separate operation unit that is part of the Intel Graphics integrated in the CPU but is working (mostly) independent of GPU processing.

 



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Posted 29 February 2020 - 11:56 PM

Hardware acceleration is a bit like drinking caffeine. Yeah, you may get your stuff done quicker, and damn you feel like a rockstar and unkillable....but the end result is probably not as good as you could have done. But hey, you got it done, right!?!?!


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Posted 01 March 2020 - 12:12 AM

I did hardware acceleration for 1080p on a 4th gen Intel for a bit (Windows) years ago. I have helped others get quicksync setup on an intel 7th gen (Windows) headless servers. I have worked other forms of hardware acceleration VAAPI for a bit (Linux and an older AMD GPU)

Now, I have been running a virtualized environment (VMware esx 6.7 u3 ryzen 1700 (8 core 16 thread) 32 GB ECC memory, 1.5TB nvme memory (for vm system VHDs), 48TB disk storage (33 usable after ZFS chops it up) that is passed to a freenas VM, and Emby server is hosted on a headless Linux VM (runs on 8 threads (2 socket 4 VCPU per socket) and 8GB of RAM. At max I will have 6 clients. My nominal is 3 streams at once plus 2 live tv recording at once. CurrentlyI software transcode. Just about all the different hypervisors out there are optimized to efficiently use resources and share across guest VMs.

I am working on my 4K library and when I transition I will be testing for throughout. Right now I am limited by ESXi free licensing to 8 threads per VM. I may get VMUG licensing to expand thread count per VM or look at hardware pass-through, a mid level PCIE GPU ,and driver hacking the GPU to the emby VM.


Mid year this year, I am considering rebuilding my home server when the Ryzen 4000 series 8 core 16 thread #700X model drops (improvements would be pcie 4, 8+% IPC, +200Mhz clock speed, double the L2/3 Cache in comparison to the 3000 series). For me this would be moving forward 3 generations of Ryzen which is pretty substantial. I am also considering moving the xenserver or HyperV as my hypervisor instead of ESXi).


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Posted 01 March 2020 - 12:25 AM

It's the opposite. The bottom one is a direct capture of the 'native' 1080. The top one is transcoded from a 2160 10bit HEVC(L5) SDR to 1080 8bit.

Wait we're just taking about SDR to SDR? Ahh that's boring.

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Posted 01 March 2020 - 12:37 AM

Wait we're just taking about SDR to SDR? Ahh that's boring.

 

hehe....I was just responding to a comment that 2160 reduced to 1080 would be worse than 1080. I actually think it's better.


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Posted 01 March 2020 - 01:17 AM

hehe....I was just responding to a comment that 2160 reduced to 1080 would be worse than 1080. I actually think it's better.

Ah I see. I got my hope up for a second. Back to madvr.

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Posted 01 March 2020 - 01:38 AM

Ah I see. I got my hope up for a second. Back to madvr.

 

MadVR? Huh? That's an entirely different topic....



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Posted 01 March 2020 - 09:45 AM

MadVR? Huh? That's an entirely different topic....

It absolutely is, but I thought you were showing off some premature form of tone mapping with mpv. Not a lot off options right now for that.

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Posted 01 March 2020 - 11:09 AM

I think the server side tone mapping will commence in the next round of betas, after 4.4 stable is released. I'm looking forward to messing with that.
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Posted 01 March 2020 - 12:14 PM

For GPU accelerated decoding, I've been reading what the mpv guys say. They do not like it, and recommend to always use software whenever possible. For encoding, I'm less informed. But I've read/watched a lot of reviews on using the latest Ryzen CPUs, and one consistent thing that comes up is that video editors are choosing to use them. Why exactly, I'm not sure, but apparently they make light work of their tasks. FWIW.

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Posted 01 March 2020 - 12:41 PM

For GPU accelerated decoding, I've been reading what the mpv guys say. They do not like it, and recommend to always use software whenever possible. 

 

Why are you posting such incredible nonsense?

 

No details, no fact, no arguments, no justification, not naming a specific codec and first of all neglecting the fact that there are many different hardware accelerated decoder implementations (Emby supports 6) and each of them is a kind of its own.


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Posted 01 March 2020 - 12:58 PM

For GPU accelerated decoding, I've been reading what the mpv guys say. They do not like it, and recommend to always use software whenever possible. For encoding, I'm less informed. But I've read/watched a lot of reviews on using the latest Ryzen CPUs, and one consistent thing that comes up is that video editors are choosing to use them. Why exactly, I'm not sure, but apparently they make light work of their tasks. FWIW.

 

That easy to why video editor choosing to use AMD as it is multi-core and threaded performance it better watch this 4K Video Editing PC on a BUDGET


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Posted 01 March 2020 - 01:24 PM

Why are you posting such incredible nonsense?

 

No details, no fact, no arguments, no justification, not naming a specific codec and first of all neglecting the fact that there are many different hardware accelerated decoder implementations (Emby supports 6) and each of them is a kind of its own.

 

Take it easy. They document it pretty well.

 

 

https://mpv.io/manua.../#options-hwdec



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Posted 01 March 2020 - 01:33 PM

If you read it all, you eventually get to this:

 

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