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Posted 22 September 2019 - 11:39 AM

I have a "sports" library, set up as TV shows, containing:

 

3 episodes from the American Basketball Association.

28 episodes from the Australian Football League.

2 episodes from international basketball events.

280 episodes from the National Basketball Association.

181 episodes from the National Basketball League.

2 episodes from NCAA basketball.

70 episodes from the National Football League.

 

90% of the time I hit the 'shuffle' button on this library, I get the 2012 Olympics basketball game between the USA and Australia. The other 10% I get the 2010 AFL pre-season game between Essendon and West Coast.

 

Shouldn't it be more random than this? It has 566 episodes to choose from, and yet it only ever lands on two of them, and one of those appears four or five times as often as the other.



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Posted 22 September 2019 - 10:49 PM

Where are you hitting the shuffle button?



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Posted 23 September 2019 - 01:35 AM

The library page.

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 02:18 AM

Ah, right, so it's selecting a random series and starting from the first episode, instead of picking a random episode? That's a pain. Even so, it's still only choosing two of the seven series.

 

I tried going to the NBL series page and shuffling from there, and every single time it's the first episode of the 2020 season.



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Posted 24 September 2019 - 02:41 AM

The NBL series is across two different drives, with one only holding that first episode of 2020 and the other drive holding all other episodes. Is it possible this is related?



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Posted 24 September 2019 - 04:05 AM

Ah, right, so it's selecting a random series and starting from the first episode, instead of picking a random episode? That's a pain. Even so, it's still only choosing two of the seven series.

 

I tried going to the NBL series page and shuffling from there, and every single time it's the first episode of the 2020 season.

+1 for changing this to play random episodes

 

https://emby.media/c...flerandom-play/


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Posted 24 September 2019 - 04:58 AM

@Luke hasn't actually confirmed that it is picking a random series to play through, although that does seem to be the case.

 

The fact that I'm getting the same episode all the time when shuffling a series, though...that's a problem.



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Posted 24 September 2019 - 09:40 AM

I believe what you are trying will work in some of the apps but with the web app there is probably some improvement needed.

 

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 10:18 AM

I'm getting the same results on both the web app and the Android app.



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Posted 24 September 2019 - 10:22 AM

I'm getting the same results on both the web app and the Android app.

 

Yes, I would expect that.

 

Do you have access to an Android TV device?



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Posted 24 September 2019 - 10:40 AM

I do not. Only Android mobile, web, and LG TV.


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Posted 25 September 2019 - 04:09 PM

Ah, right, so it's selecting a random series and starting from the first episode, instead of picking a random episode? That's a pain. Even so, it's still only choosing two of the seven series.

 

I tried going to the NBL series page and shuffling from there, and every single time it's the first episode of the 2020 season.

 

Yes this needs to be improved, thanks.



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Posted 27 September 2019 - 09:39 AM

The NBL series is across two different drives, with one only holding that first episode of 2020 and the other drive holding all other episodes. Is it possible this is related?

It must be, because shuffling just plays that one episode and then stops. The other 180 episodes are ignored.

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Posted 28 September 2019 - 12:12 AM

Thanks for the feedback.



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Posted 30 September 2019 - 11:53 AM

I tried deleting that one season, and shuffling then wouldn't play anything back at all for a while. Now it correctly shuffles the existing 180 episodes, so I assume it just needed to run a scan or something.

I've noticed for other TV shows that are across multiple drives that the season count is wrong as well. It only counts the seasons from one drive.

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 02:45 PM

 

 

I've noticed for other TV shows that are across multiple drives that the season count is wrong as well.

@Happy2Play are you able to reproduce?



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Posted 02 October 2019 - 12:56 AM

Here's an example. Under the show title it says "8 seasons", but on the screen you can see 11. Scroll to the right and there are even more. One of my drives has 8 seasons on it, and this is the drive that also had the one NBL season on it that kept getting picked up. For some reason this seems to be the only drive that counts for the purposes of shuffling episodes, or the total season count. I can play through just fine, it has no issue going from episode one on that drive to episode two on another. It just refuses to access any other drive for shuffling, and isn't counting the seasons properly.

 

For the record, by my count there are 42 seasons in total.

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 02:45 PM

Here's an example. Under the show title it says "8 seasons", but on the screen you can see 11. Scroll to the right and there are even more. One of my drives has 8 seasons on it, and this is the drive that also had the one NBL season on it that kept getting picked up. For some reason this seems to be the only drive that counts for the purposes of shuffling episodes, or the total season count. I can play through just fine, it has no issue going from episode one on that drive to episode two on another. It just refuses to access any other drive for shuffling, and isn't counting the seasons properly.

 

For the record, by my count there are 42 seasons in total.

 

@Doofus are you able to reproduce that?



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Posted 02 October 2019 - 02:51 PM

I don't think I have any libraries that are comparable to that. I don't have any sport, anywhere.

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 03:09 PM

It's just a TV show library that happens to have sporting content in it.




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