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#21 Luke OFFLINE  

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Posted 08 May 2019 - 12:32 AM

@Luke, so I've been doing a bit of research as I want to get something that is as future proof as possible, and my DS415Play seemed slow when I got it.

 

The QNAP TVS-672XT & TVS-872XT seem fast, having a Core™ i3-8100T 4-core 3.1 GHz and Core™ i5-8400T 6-core 1.7 GHz Processor, respectively. Each has Intel UHD Graphics 630.

 

Does Emby utilize the GPU for transcoding?  I read a review where someone found transcoding 4K video using Plex to be a taxing on the 672XT, but I don't think Plex uses the GPU.

 

Would either of these be good fit?

 

I'm not sure as I haven't tested those models, but in theory yes we should be able to support it.



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Posted 08 May 2019 - 10:53 AM

@Luke, so I've been doing a bit of research as I want to get something that is as future proof as possible, and my DS415Play seemed slow when I got it.
 
The QNAP TVS-672XT & TVS-872XT seem fast, having a Core™ i3-8100T 4-core 3.1 GHz and Core™ i5-8400T 6-core 1.7 GHz Processor, respectively. Each has Intel UHD Graphics 630. [/size]
 
Does Emby utilize the GPU [/size]for transcoding?  I read a review where someone found transcoding 4K video using Plex to be a taxing on the 672XT, but I don't think Plex uses the GPU.
 
Would either of these be good fit?


As @Luke stated, in theory, the hardware can be used for decoding.

How many drives do you plan on using?

If you start getting into the price range of the QNAP TVS-872XT, then I think you should REALLY consider building your own. For that cost, you could build something that is more powerful and future-proof.

I certainly understand going with a simpler NAS though.

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Posted 08 May 2019 - 11:57 AM

If you start getting into the price range of the QNAP TVS-872XT, then I think you should REALLY consider building your own. For that cost, you could build something that is more powerful and future-proof.

I certainly understand going with a simpler NAS though.

 

 

That's an interesting option, though if I were to build one, I would not need 8 drives. 4-6 should do it. In my Synology, I have 3.

 

The thing that worries me about that approach though is what OS would I use and if I did use something like FreeNAS, would the hardware acceleration work?  If I had a QNAP, at least I could refer to some config that exists and is documented.  I would not consider Windows for my OS.


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Posted 08 May 2019 - 12:36 PM

That's an interesting option, though if I were to build one, I would not need 8 drives. 4-6 should do it. In my Synology, I have 3.
 
The thing that worries me about that approach though is what OS would I use and if I did use something like FreeNAS, would the hardware acceleration work?  If I had a QNAP, at least I could refer to some config that exists and is documented.  I would not consider Windows for my OS.


Is size a factor? Are you trying to keep it small? That will drive what case/hardware you start with.

As for OS, I actually wouldn't recommend FreeNAS. Instead, I would look to one of the established *NIX based NAS OS.

I used OpenMediaVault (OMV) for a long time. It's completely free, and provides a web interface on top of Debian. I personally ran this for probably the last 5 years or more. It has plugins, but other than the Docker, I don't really recommend the native ones. They just aren't updated as frequently. There used to be an Emby specific one, but I think most just went to the Docker container instead.

I just recently switched to unRaid. It's way simpler than OMV. Changing/upgrading drives is a breeze. The plugins are dead simple and include both native and Docker plugins in a single interface. It's not free however. For 6 devices I think it start at $60 or so for a lifetime license. I went with the upgraded license for $90 which gives me up to 12.

Either way, I would run Emby in a Docker container. Yes, you may have to do some work to pass the hardware along to it to take advantage of hardware encoding/decoding, but I think it can be done.

There are lots of guides out there for getting Emby running in OMV or unRaid. You can try either one for free to see if it will do what you are looking for. Especially if you have some old hardware lying about to try them on.

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Posted 08 May 2019 - 02:47 PM

@BAlGaInTl - Thanks for the info. At this point, though, I'm less concerned with price than with time. I'm doing this because I'm moving and trying to consolidate. To really build a high performance NAS I'd need to really research things and don't have the time.

 

I do appreciate the help though!



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Posted 08 May 2019 - 02:56 PM

@BAlGaInTl - Thanks for the info. At this point, though, I'm less concerned with price than with time. I'm doing this because I'm moving and trying to consolidate. To really build a high performance NAS I'd need to really research things and don't have the time.
 
I do appreciate the help though!


No worries. I certainly understand that.

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 08:33 AM

I have a newbie question from the point of view of using a NAS.
I have in mind to install a NAS using OMV (OpenMediaVault) on my old PC that I used with Linux for my daily use + the Emby server and the SAMBA enabled with an i7 6700k processor and 16 in RAM on a 1 GB hardwired LAN.
On that computer I have my hard drives with around 40TB at this moment.
I had an Nvidia video card nothing fancy (GTX 750 TI), which I removed to install on my new personal computer for budget issues.
My idea is to install the standalone NAS on that old PC.
 
I built a new PC with a Ryzen 2700x and 32 RAM for my personal use only with the intention of leaving the old PC as a server, running the NAS 24/7 without having to use my personal computer.
 
Having said that.
I get a HUGE doubt about the transcoding necessary in some devices in my home and the resources of the NAS. This is because I never enabled hardware acceleration on my old Emby server, it has defaults but since I removed the Nvidia card I feel Emby, on the client's side, quite "lazy" when it comes to playing.
 
Options that go through my head:
1- Run Emby from the OMV docker (I would have the built-in video of the i7 6700k processor). >> Here is where I have no idea if that is enough for Emby to run fluid. <<
 
2- Utillize my personal computer for Emby Server, which runs on Debian 10 Buster, and from there pull the libraries from the SMB / CIFS of the NAS OMV. This way my PC would do the transcoding and it will be the Emby server.
 
Home scenario:
1 LG 4k TV (connected to the Shield through a Yamaha receiver)
1 Samsung 4K TV (almost always decodes something)
1 Roku 4 Ultra (almost always decodes something)
1 Nvidia Shield (99.9% direct play)
 
** I do not use Emby outside of my LAN, it is completely private.
** I NEVER do transcoding from 4k to 1080p.
 
At this point, I do not know what to do for the transcoding and what could be better for the correct integration of the NAS in my LAN.
Thank you very much in advance.
I know that this consultation was long, but I think it is best to explain in detail to get the right help.
 
Have a nice day.

Edited by HRSCR, 08 July 2019 - 08:35 AM.


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Posted 09 July 2019 - 10:44 AM

I have the DS918+ and absolutely love it. I've since upgraded the RAM to 8GB and added 2 x M.2 SSD drives. So far the only issue I can see Emby-wise is remote transcoding, it's something I keep meaning to ask on here. I've gone from a desktop with a GTX1080 Ti to the DS918+, most of my streaming is internal but my upload speed isn't great so am forced to transcode remotely. There may be some way to improve it that I've missed (likely) but transcoding speed is fairly crap in comparison.

 

That being said, the other features of the DS are phenominal (file server, chat server, automated local and cloud backups, virus scanning, etc), very intuitive dashboard too, it's laid out like a mini OS. Don't regret it at all, just need some advice on the transcoding performance.


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Posted 09 July 2019 - 12:37 PM

I have the DS918+ and absolutely love it. I've since upgraded the RAM to 8GB and added 2 x M.2 SSD drives. So far the only issue I can see Emby-wise is remote transcoding, it's something I keep meaning to ask on here. I've gone from a desktop with a GTX1080 Ti to the DS918+, most of my streaming is internal but my upload speed isn't great so am forced to transcode remotely. There may be some way to improve it that I've missed (likely) but transcoding speed is fairly crap in comparison.

 

That being said, the other features of the DS are phenominal (file server, chat server, automated local and cloud backups, virus scanning, etc), very intuitive dashboard too, it's laid out like a mini OS. Don't regret it at all, just need some advice on the transcoding performance.

 

I really apreciate your answer, help me a lot.

 

Transcoding still being unknown to do a choice. I think that i going to test the docker first and see what happens. Thanks!



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Posted 11 July 2019 - 05:57 PM

I really apreciate your answer, help me a lot.

 

Transcoding still being unknown to do a choice. I think that i going to test the docker first and see what happens. Thanks!

 

If you aren't transcoding 4K, it's likely that the i7 6700k could do it even without the hardware decoding.  Depending on how many streams you have going at once.

 

I ran OMV and Docker for quite some time on an older Xeon (E3-1271 v3).  Now I'm on Unraid but still running Emby in a docker.  The i7 you have is faster across the board.  I've had no issues trans-coding multiple streams using only the CPU.

 

The beautiful thing is that you can always give it a shot.  Little to no loss if it doesn't work for you.


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Posted 11 July 2019 - 06:30 PM

If you aren't transcoding 4K, it's likely that the i7 6700k could do it even without the hardware decoding.  Depending on how many streams you have going at once.

 

I ran OMV and Docker for quite some time on an older Xeon (E3-1271 v3).  Now I'm on Unraid but still running Emby in a docker.  The i7 you have is faster across the board.  I've had no issues trans-coding multiple streams using only the CPU.

 

The beautiful thing is that you can always give it a shot.  Little to no loss if it doesn't work for you.

 

Thank you very much for your comment, it is very helpful and clarified the doubt that I had on that subject.

I had to make some changes in the process. A couple of weeks ago I bought a Ryzen 2700X with an Asus Prime X-470 motherboard + 32 in RAM at 3000MHZ new ... However ... the bad luck came after turning off the i 6700k (I never turn it off). The motherboard started doing weird things and then ..... the board died ......

So, I changed the plans and tomorrow the new Motherboard for the i 6700k arrives, but nevertheless I decided to leave the Ryzen for the server and use the Intel for my personal use or some other application in my homelab.

I still do not remove Debian 10 Buster from the PC with the new Ryzen, I'm in the process of moving my movies to other hard drives to be able to format everything to ext4 and then install the OMV without problems... or in a Linux desktop with an SMB and Emby.

At the moment, for budget I do not go with RAID configuration. However, the HDD that I have are ready to be developed as I can buy more HDD. I already have 2 HDT of 10TB but I still lack space to do the RAID, apart from that I have another pair of 6TB WD Red discs and a few of 3TB. They are approximately 40TB of movies.

It's kind of tedious to copy the movies from one place to another, but I have to do it to reformat the discs that were formatted in NTFS to ext4.

Anyway, these things are like that.

I think the server, because of the qualities of Ryzen will be more robust. I hope it lasts at least 4 years :)

Thanks again my friend

 

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