CharleyVarrick 276 Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 Don't connect the fans to the motherboard. They won't spin in unison, you'll need consistency. By that, you mean its better to connect to a controller (?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 By that, you mean its better to connect to a controller (?). Yes Yesterday was folder sync time, and this is what I'm getting after 80 minutes. The 3 tv drives (M-L-N) are the hottest, and they're all in those 5.25" to 3.5" adapters. Scanner is never able to complete Status analysis as this pc never gets enough continuous running time. Those temps aren't horrible. The 50 degree one is just a warning, if it goes red, then you're in trouble. And it's probably the middle drive of the top three. All the heat is rising, and those two at the top are soaking in the heat. Use one of those hot swat bays that I posted. The fan on the back will keep the air moving, while pulling cool air in from outside. I've got four of them, and they work, well. All mine are Norco, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharleyVarrick 276 Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 Or you could use something like this. https://www.amazon.com/ICY-DOCK-FatCage-MB153SP-B-Module/dp/B009HIMZ3G/ref=pd_sbs_147_6?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B009HIMZ3G&pd_rd_r=0c299ef3-fc1f-11e8-8b36-13666f87f6b1&pd_rd_w=rFBrQ&pd_rd_wg=6VxsH&pf_rd_p=7d5d9c3c-5e01-44ac-97fd-261afd40b865&pf_rd_r=RYHDYNVH8V0P3150CPR9&psc=1&refRID=RYHDYNVH8V0P3150CPR9 This look like its designed for rackmount setup (like yours), is that supposed to fit in a desktop like mine as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharleyVarrick 276 Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) And it's probably the middle drive of the top three. All the heat is rising, and those two at the top are soaking in the heat. You are dead right, the middle top is 50c, the one above is 48c and the lower is 47c Edited December 12, 2018 by jlr19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) This look like its designed for rackmount setup (like yours), is that supposed to fit in a desktop like mine as well? Look at the description. They are made for 2 5.25" external drive bays. Edited December 12, 2018 by Doofus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharleyVarrick 276 Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 Those temps aren't horrible. This is after a mere 80 minutes, god knows how it would look should I leave it running 24hrs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 This is after a mere 80 minutes, god knows how it would look should I leave it running 24hrs... Some of my drives have been in the upper 50s One of the hot swap bays that I have fits into a 3 5.25" space http://www.norcotek.com/product/ss-400/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharleyVarrick 276 Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 The fan on the back will keep the air moving, while pulling cool air in from outside. I've got four of them, and they work, well. All mine are Norco, though. I thought you strongly favoured negative pressure (exhaust hot air out only), I am confused now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I thought you strongly favoured negative pressure (exhaust hot air out only), I am confused now. That is negative pressure. The fan is behind the drives, sucking the air out from between them. Then the cool outside air rushes in to fill the vacuum. Negative pressure is the fans sucking air out. Positive pressure is fans pushing air in. The Norco that I linked to, is a closed unit, with fan at its back. It has its own environment. That way it's forcing the air to flow through the drives. With an open frame, the air will be pulled from other places other than the drive's environment. That's why I like the Norco stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Actually, that ICY dock is also enclosed. So that works, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharleyVarrick 276 Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) Just so we're on same page, a pic from my tower manual. The 2 yellow rectangles are the stock fans, pushing hot air out of the box. The (front) red rectangle is optional fans, so to achieve negative pressure, those would also push hot air out of the box (right?) The blue square is where I believe the integrated fan of hot swap bay would endup. Would the air direction be left to right (exhaust hot air out) or right to left (drawing cool air in) Edited December 12, 2018 by jlr19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharleyVarrick 276 Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 Actually, that ICY dock is also enclosed. So that works, too. Are you refering to the ICY DOCK FatCage MB153SP-B you suggested earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Just so we're on same page, a pic from my tower manual. The 2 yellow rectangles are the stock fans, pushing hot air out of the box. The (front) red rectangle is optional fans, so to achieve negative pressure, those would also push hot air out of the box (right?) The blue square is where I believe the integrated fan of hot swap bay would endup. Would the air direction be left to right (exhaust hot air out) or right to left (drawing cool air in) Those front fans should be pulling air in. For the case, you want neutral pressure. Front fans pulling in as much air as the rear fans are pushing out. The hotswap bay is enclosed, so that is it's own environment. Inside that will be negative air pressure. That fan will add a little positive air pressure in the case, but that's good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Are you refering to the ICY DOCK FatCage MB153SP-B you suggested earlier? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharleyVarrick 276 Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 LOL, that's hilarious! I'm right back to my original plan A, which was drawing fresh air from the front, exhaust from top/rear. Well, with a big added value in one of those 2x 5.25" bay adapter to 3x 3.5" bay with fan. Thanks man ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 LOL, that's hilarious! I'm right back to my original plan A, which was drawing fresh air from the front, exhaust from top/rear. Well, with a big added value in one of those 2x 5.25" bay adapter to 3x 3.5" bay with fan. Thanks man ! Just remember not to connect the fans to your Mobo. You need the case fans to be equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharleyVarrick 276 Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 Just remember not to connect the fans to your Mobo. You need the case fans to be equal. I Promise! I'll get Doofus-shopping for a controller right away. I remember seeing one on your own setup, it had a very sleek looking physical interface with blue lights. It would have its own place in my soon-to-be-free top 5.25" bay. But the other one you suggested looks very capable, software wise, but just not as pretty. Probably not meant to be seen anyway, where do you install it by the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 You mean the Corsair? It's stuck to the inside of the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharleyVarrick 276 Posted December 16, 2018 Author Share Posted December 16, 2018 I almost forgot to say a big thanks to you @. I learned a lot from the video post (3 out of 4, the one where they scrape the paint off, then apply thermal grease was the wackiest thing I ever saw) But the most important thing I learned here was about the 4 wire PWM fans. My brand new custom built has RGB fans eye candy but unfortunately uses the "old" 3 wire fans. The mobo software include a management suite that among other things, control fans, but it doesn't see any of the 3 chassis fans.Only the CPU fans is controllable, but in 4 increments: Silent, Normal, Turbo and Full Speed. If my order doesn't get lost in x-mas mayhem, I should receive it tomorrow or tuesday and will report back on temperature improvement. Thanks again to Doofus and the others ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharleyVarrick 276 Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 This question might be trivial, but are we suppose to screw tru fan mounting hole then to case hole, or vice versa. In this capture of my case manual, they seem to indicate the former. A little background in woodworking reminds me its usually better to screw from the thin material to the thickest. In this case (pun), it would mean from inside drive cage to the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Looks like you screw into the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy2Play 8216 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 It really shouldn't matter. Which every way is more convenient. Actually it depends more on the screws used to attach the fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharleyVarrick 276 Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 It really shouldn't matter. Which every way is more convenient. Actually it depends more on the screws used to attach the fan. They are the short stubby metal screws typical for fans. I'm asking because the 2 stock fans have their screw heads showing outside the case, so they were screwed thru case first. then to fan. To do that for the front panel fans, I would need to use a 90degree adapter from inside drive cage. (tru metal case 1st, then catch and pull the fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just use the existing screws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharleyVarrick 276 Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) Just use the existing screws The short stubby screws included with the fans have a thread that bites aggressively in the smaller plastic fan hole, but not so much in the thin metal of the case, which kind of confirm I need to screw tru case mounting hole, then bite into the fan mounting hole. This way its gonna be consistent with how the stock fans were installed (screwed from outside to inside, tru case 1st, then pulling the fan snug to case. Thanks everyone. Edited December 18, 2018 by jlr19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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