andcbii 12 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I'm thinking of buying a new NAS and possibly a new Server to host emby and my files. Currently i have 34 TB of video files. I'm looking for something that will handle 1 (or possibly 2) 4k transcodes. I was looking at getting the Synology RS4017xs. First question, is the Intel Xeon D-1541 8-core processor beefy enough to handle 4k transcodes? Second is there any performance benefit to running emby directly on the on the NAS? Would I be better off buying a cheaper NAS and building a PC/Server to run emby? If I do a stand alone server for emby what do I need to get to handle 2 4k transcodes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 No performance benfits to running emby on a NAS. Just use it as storage. That CPU might be able to handle 2 4k transcodes. Something to keep in mind, if you have HDR, that will be lost in transcode. A better option than would be to use multiversioning. Put the 1080 version in the same folder, and avoid transcoding 4k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andcbii 12 Posted November 9, 2018 Author Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) Since i posted this I did some more searching on the forum for 4k trans-coding. I would rather not store 2 versions of all of my movies. Can anyone suggest a build that actually works well with 4k trans-coding? What is the best hardware to get this done? Most the threads I've read are about it not working and the reply being, "Is you hardware good enough?". What is good enough? What can I buy that will support hardware transcoding? It looks like a lot of people were having issues with QuickSync, has that been fixed? Edited November 9, 2018 by andcbii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 I have a Ryzen Threadripper, and it can transcode 4k, easily. But again, HDR metadata is always lost. The next server release is going to have big improvement with transcoding using hardware acceleration. You may want to wait to see what results others will have with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andcbii 12 Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 These should be able to handle 4k transcode, right? GeForce GTX 1050 Ti https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814126250 i9-9900K https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16819117957 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 You probably won't need the Nvidia GPU, if you get the i9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andcbii 12 Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 So the GPU will not help off load any of the transcoding? I just noticed the HW sections of the forums... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 There's lots of development on HWA, so probably wait until that's finished and see what people are saying, but that iGPU is far better than the GTX 1050. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy2Play 8252 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 The CPU is Quick Sync capable so it would offload HWA to that portion of the CPU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andcbii 12 Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 Could the CPU handle 2-4 4k transcodes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Could the CPU handle 2-4 4k transcodes? Ouch! Probably not 4. Maybe 2? But you won't know until you try. But I think you're missing the point. The iGPU should be able to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef 3745 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 What is 'iGPU'? Please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 What is 'iGPU'? Please Those Intel processors have a built in GPU (video processor), and is activated by connecting an HDMI from the motherboard to your display. When activated, it can be used for transcoding. So iGPU is Intel GPU. So there's no need to use an Nvidia GPU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naeonline 27 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 iGPU actually stands for 'i'ntegrated GPU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 iGPU actually stands for 'i'ntegrated GPU. Yeah, but I didn't want to convolute what was being talking about. There are other integrated GPUs, but I was specifically referring to the Intel GPUs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorac 100 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 There's no difference between an I7-7700K and I7-9700-K in terms of GPU performance. Intel CPU's don't have a hard-coded limit on transcoding like NVIDIA does. Unless you have a real, real, real need for the extra CPU power a 9900 is overkill. 3.6 is going to be much better with transcoding. Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 There is a difference in the GPU. The 7700 has an HD 630, the later CPUs have UHD 630 GPUs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaptainCed 0 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 There's lots of development on HWA, so probably wait until that's finished and see what people are saying, but that iGPU is far better than the GTX 1050. Hey guys, first post in this forum and since you have already been really helpful so far here's my interrogations about what I have and what i'm looking to do. Here's what I have right now: i7-7700k GTX 1060 6gb b class motherboard (can't overclock) Typical ssd for boot and programs External drives for movies I currently own a lot of 4k movies that I play on my Oppo-203 and got a couples of movies on my external drive in 1080p and 4k (4k movies being stored in a different folder) What I'm looking for is to be able to play 1 4k on my Oppo (no transcoding needed with this beast so I retain my HDR that is encoded in the file) + streaming 1 4k (transcoding included) and probably 1-2 1080p. All at the same time! Obviously with what I have, I know i need to improve a lot of my hardware, but i'm not sure when it would be overkill and when it would need more. The money isn't an issue but I don't want to go overboard for nothing I was looking at either bying new parts for my cpu That I already have (New GPU rtx2080 or 2080ti) and a new Z type motherboard + m.2 ssd for programs + 2 internal drive. If I should change my CPU to get What I'm looking for I'm looking for threadripper CPU like the 2950x (pretty sure I should wait for the 3950x in summer though). My question is this, can I make it work with i7-7700k with better GPU and overclocking the CPU for: 2x 4k (only 1 transcoding and the same time) + 2x 1080p (transcoding or not) Sorry for long post haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Hey guys, first post in this forum and since you have already been really helpful so far here's my interrogations about what I have and what i'm looking to do. Here's what I have right now: i7-7700k GTX 1060 6gb b class motherboard (can't overclock) Typical ssd for boot and programs External drives for movies I currently own a lot of 4k movies that I play on my Oppo-203 and got a couples of movies on my external drive in 1080p and 4k (4k movies being stored in a different folder) What I'm looking for is to be able to play 1 4k on my Oppo (no transcoding needed with this beast so I retain my HDR that is encoded in the file) + streaming 1 4k (transcoding included) and probably 1-2 1080p. All at the same time! My question is this, can I make it work with i7-7700k with better GPU and overclocking the CPU for: 2x 4k (only 1 transcoding and the same time) + 2x 1080p (transcoding or not) That should work for what you're doing. The 1060 can transcode two 4k videos, and the CPU will be able to handle a few 1080 transcodes. My HTPC has the same hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbjtech 4223 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) I'm really at a loss why people want to spend so much on 'transcoding 4K' when you will compromise quality doing a 'real-time' transcode (not to mention the extra power used EVERY TIME you want to play that media) vs just storing a decent bitrate (to match your end devices) 1080p professional/balanced encode done once. Storage is cheap these days vs new CPU's and memory, maybe I'm missing something ? I have a 2160p for 'local' viewing on my decent 4K TV (keeping HDR, HD Sound,Atmos etc), a 1080p version (usually with AC3/DTS) - for local playing on other TV's around the house and lastly a 720p AAC version at 4Mbit (my set Emby streaming limit) for 'remote' viewing - so basically nothing has to transcode - and it all sits happily on an old i5 1st gen box and doesn't break a sweat with 6+ streams going at once .. High bitrate 4K with HDR, HD Sound (with Atmos etc) is meant for high end viewing, so why you would want to convert this yourself to a much inferior format every time you want to play it elsewhere feels inefficient to me. Edited March 7, 2019 by rbjtech 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAlGaInTl 279 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I'm really at a loss why people want to spend so much on 'transcoding 4K' when you will compromise quality doing a 'real-time' transcode (not to mention the extra power used EVERY TIME you want to play that media) vs just storing a decent bitrate (to match your end devices) 1080p professional/balanced encode done once. Storage is cheap these days vs new CPU's and memory, maybe I'm missing something ? I have a 2160p for 'local' viewing on my decent 4K TV (keeping HDR, HD Sound,Atmos etc), a 1080p version (usually with AC3/DTS) - for local playing on other TV's around the house and lastly a 720p AAC version at 4Mbit (my set Emby streaming limit) for 'remote' viewing - so basically nothing has to transcode - and it all sits happily on an old i5 1st gen box and doesn't break a sweat with 6+ streams going at once .. High bitrate 4K with HDR, HD Sound (with Atmos etc) is meant for high end viewing, so why you would want to convert this yourself to a much inferior format every time you want to play it elsewhere feels inefficient to me. Good point. I'll agree that storage is cheap, but it isn't free. And the systems that can handle lots of drives aren't for everyone. That being said... it's also sort of the same reasons that gamers love to build over-kill rigs to get that extra 5 FPS. Because you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightsout 144 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I'm really at a loss why people want to spend so much on 'transcoding 4K' when you will compromise quality doing a 'real-time' transcode (not to mention the extra power used EVERY TIME you want to play that media) vs just storing a decent bitrate (to match your end devices) 1080p professional/balanced encode done once. Storage is cheap these days vs new CPU's and memory, maybe I'm missing something ? I have a 2160p for 'local' viewing on my decent 4K TV (keeping HDR, HD Sound,Atmos etc), a 1080p version (usually with AC3/DTS) - for local playing on other TV's around the house and lastly a 720p AAC version at 4Mbit (my set Emby streaming limit) for 'remote' viewing - so basically nothing has to transcode - and it all sits happily on an old i5 1st gen box and doesn't break a sweat with 6+ streams going at once .. High bitrate 4K with HDR, HD Sound (with Atmos etc) is meant for high end viewing, so why you would want to convert this yourself to a much inferior format every time you want to play it elsewhere feels inefficient to me. Depending on how much media your have that could be a lot of transcoding. I personally use my server doing more than just Emby. And want it to be strong enough to do multiple things without a hiccup. Plus I just live building PC's and tinkering with hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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