LurchZA 4 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 I did see the topic about updates failing, but it does not really relate to what I am experiencing. I run Emby as a service on Windows 7 x64. I got prompted this morning to update manually from 3.2.36 to 3.2.60. Stopped the service and ran from the website. After rebooting the machine I was unable to start the service, and also noticed that the system tray icon was not there, but, the server is up and running (it is showing in my task manager running under SYSTEM). Anybody else experiencing this? Logs attached. server-63649609145.txt server-63649609212.txt server-63649609271.txt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benNZ 0 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Ermmm... so got it working after 30mins... Why the rush to get a new version out - change freezes are there for a reason! Pushing a new release out that is clearly under-tested two days before Xmas is not ok. Cheers BTW: Do very much appreciate your amazing work but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcdery 1 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 I am unable to install the new update 3.2.60.0. It says to reboot to finalise the installation, but the server never reboot and I have to reopen the emby server, and it is still the 3.2.36.0 version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBers 6766 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Emby server reboot, or PC reboot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bry 12 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Hey. I am experiencing the same exact thing. Came here to check. Unfortunately it keeps crashing the service completely so I have to remote into my machine and restart. Hopefully this is fixed fairly quickly with the holiday weekend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBers 6766 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 For people with issues, please start a new thread and posts logs as required here: https://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/790-how-to-report-a-problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14898 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 The very first thing to do here is try installing from the website over top of your current installation. Doing that is going to fix almost all of these issues I believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LurchZA 4 Posted December 24, 2017 Author Share Posted December 24, 2017 The very first thing to do here is try installing from the website over top of your current installation. Doing that is going to fix almost all of these issues I believe. Thanks for the suggestion. I personally have already tried that, but can try again. Emby server reboot, or PC reboot? Both server and PC reboot in my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 36992 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 If you're on Windows 7 please also make sure that windows updates are fully up to date. thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LurchZA 4 Posted December 24, 2017 Author Share Posted December 24, 2017 If you're on Windows 7 please also make sure that windows updates are fully up to date. thanks. I can confirm that Windows is up to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 36992 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 I would go into windows service and set the old emby service to disabled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drashna 46 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 I've noticed this as well. The MediaBrowser.ServiceApplication.exe is spawning "EmbyServer.exe" and giving a "Failed" error for the service. Setting the service to use the new EXE fails outright. Meaning that the old and new executables are not setup to run as a system service on Windows. I would go into windows service and set the old emby service to disabled. No. Because you're telling us that you've removed functionality, rather than changed or added. You've taken way the ability to run as a service natively. I want an way to run Emby as a system service natively. Not to "disable the service", and use shit like NSSM or Task Scheduler. Because at that point, there is little to differentiate Emby from Plex. (user management, CoverArt, and CSS being the only things that stand out to me). This feels like a slap to the face to users. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 36992 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 We have a new process for running as a service that i think you will find equally effective: https://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/50992-how-to-run-emby-server-as-a-windows-service/ Once setup, there really is no difference from before. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drashna 46 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 NSSM? No thanks. https://github.com/dasMulli/dotnet-win32-service (this was a link in the SECOND search result, which was this: http://www.ben-morris.com/running-a-net-core-console-application-as-a-windows-service/) Or I can just install Plex and go back to using the Task Scheduler. If you depreciated the main EXE, why not set it up as a service EXE to handle this, rather than forcing users to install another piece of software because YOU couldn't be bothered to maintain the existing user experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 36992 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 On more than one occasion Windows 10 updates throughout 2017 have impacted windows services and required developers to make changes. That's taken it's toll and gotten to the point where we'd rather be spending our time on media management and not troubleshooting windows services. Another nuance with the previous windows service is permissions to media folders. We were constantly troubleshooting this because many users didn't understand that the windows service runs under a service account. Now with NSSM you choose all of these things up front and we haven't had to deal with that at all. I apologize for the change but in exchange for the five minutes required to set it up you're getting new levels of performance and stability within the server, partially due to the new platform that it's running on, and partially due to improvements we've been able to make thanks to having more developer time and decreased troubleshooting time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drashna 46 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 (edited) nm Edited December 24, 2017 by drashna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy 735 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 What are the advantages of running as a service vs running as a process? Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy2Play 8224 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 What are the advantages of running as a service vs running as a process? Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk A process requires you to login and a service will can start without a user logging in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostRider 46 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 (edited) We have a new process for running as a service that i think you will find equally effective: https://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/50992-how-to-run-emby-server-as-a-windows-service/ Once setup, there really is no difference from before. Thanks. NSSM web site recommended the pre-release version if running Windows 10 Creators edition. Do not known enough about Windows 10 to understand why Creators edition is different, I thought it was just a simple command line call to setup a service. Edited December 24, 2017 by GhostRider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJNinGA 1 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 (edited) The very first thing to do here is try installing from the website over top of your current installation. Doing that is going to fix almost all of these issues I believe. This is what I did while experiencing the same symptoms. We have a new process for running as a service that i think you will find equally effective: https://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/50992-how-to-run-emby-server-as-a-windows-service/ Once setup, there really is no difference from before. Thanks. Does re-installing/updating require users to re-accomplish the service setup? Edited December 24, 2017 by AJNinGA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy 735 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 A process requires you to login and a service will can start without a user logging in.I have to login to emby server as it is. Are there performance gains to be had too? In limitted use I see already a reduction in CPU usage and a slightly faster response in ET using emby server as a process. Seams more work to run as a service so what's the upside? Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14898 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 I have to login to emby server as it is. Are there performance gains to be had too? In limitted use I see already a reduction in CPU usage and a slightly faster response in ET using emby server as a process. Seams more work to run as a service so what's the upside? Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk The only upside is that you don't have to login a user for it to run. If you don't care about that we highly recommend just running as a normal process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drashna 46 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 (edited) The only upside is that you don't have to login a user for it to run. If you don't care about that we highly recommend just running as a normal process. Why, exactly? If it's network issues, there are two ways to handle this: Enable Authentication when setting up network shares Set the logon credentials for the service Both are fairly simple, and would solve that problem. If it's for updating, then you fixed this issue: Add to the MediaBrowser.ServerApplication.exe process, so that it's not just a loader, but when using as a service, that it manages EmbyServer.exe. This way, you have a system service for those that want it, and a way to handle automatic updates. Something that "many" users have been asking you for years. it would be a win-win, rather than leaving some users feeling like they're being shat upon Edited December 24, 2017 by drashna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbroku 2 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 "The very first thing to do here is try installing from the website over top of your current installation." I'm sorry but what does this mean exactly. I'm not tech savvy. Please excuse my ignorance. Does this mean the dashboard? The server keeps crashing. Every time I reload, the dashboard tells me: The following components have been installed or updated: MBServer (3.2.60.0) Please restart the server to finish applying updates In recent activity it says: Emby Server has been updated 12/24/2017, 1:59:16 pm Version 3.2.60.0 When I restart the server, it just repeats the above process ad infinitum. It will work for a few minutes and then crash again. What do you recommend? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawnf 8 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 We have a new process for running as a service that i think you will find equally effective: https://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/50992-how-to-run-emby-server-as-a-windows-service/ Once setup, there really is no difference from before. Thanks. I was having Emby server crashing when I went into movies while scrolling through it would just stop, and I had to restart the server for it to stop again. Once I setup the service that issue went away and I could get to and play a movie now. So changing it has fix the issue I started to have with the latest version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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