JunkStar 11 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Moving to MPV broke LiveTV for me since i only watch sports on live tv and now the interlacing is back. MadVR fixed this and the image quality was awsome! Why not make MadVR an option in the new ET? Now i have to manually run the old version when watching TV.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Have you tried Deinterlacing: yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blade005 172 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Moving to MPV broke LiveTV for me since i only watch sports on live tv and now the interlacing is back. MadVR fixed this and the image quality was awsome! Why not make MadVR an option in the new ET? Now i have to manually run the old version when watching TV.... @@JunkStar, If I set Enable Deinterlace to YES with ET MPV it seems to remove interlacing. NO and AUTO did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JunkStar 11 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 @@JunkStar, If I set Enable Deinterlace to YES with ET MPV it seems to remove interlacing. NO and AUTO did not. Its better with "Enable deinterlacing: Yes" but nowhere near the quality of just enabling MadVR in the earlier versions... Just tested it watching the Man Utd game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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denz 426 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 You have to have it deinterlace yes and the quality is as good as madvr if it is on auto is off so not sure what is the point of having auto. Make sure you have the latest version. Live TV doesn't work well with this version when it starts it takes forever but most of the time you have to start it again. For live TV madvr was slow but this version is rubbish until it is improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37007 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Yes make sure you are running the latest version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMGNYC 10 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 I'm really disappointed in this. I go to Emby Theater for 3 reasons, frame rate switching, high quality upscaling with madVR, and HD audio. Infuse on Apple TV now supports HD audio. If ET doesn't have frame rate switching and madVR upscaling there is no point in ET anymore for me. madVR is what set Emby apart. This is a mistake IMO unless MPV can replicate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chest Rockwell 3 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Count me among those who are disappointed to see the abrupt departure of MadVR. The other day I started to play an SD video and wondered why the image looked so soft. I went to check my MadVR settings and it wasn't there. The new default scaling algorithms are subpar and there has, in my view, been a significant decrease in image quality. It appears that the developers of this product are not videophiles and the attitude seems to be ... "good enough" ... with respect to image quality. I do, however, understand the desire of the developers to have a more stable and reliable player. After poking around a bit, it appears that MPV supports Lancoz, Jinc, and even NNEDI3 scaling. However, it is not clear if/when these will be implemented or selectable in Emby and whether they can be hardware accelerated in the GPU as with MadVR (this would be essential for NNEDI3). DXVA2 is inadequate as many GPU's employ relatively primitive bilinear scaling under DXVA2. I understand that the developers are still trying to just get the new MPV player up and running and debugged, but I think it would be well received by us MadVR users if the developers would at least indicate some intent to address video quality issues after the new player is stabilized. I think I would be satisfied if at some point in the not too distant future we could get an advanced control panel that would enable at least some limited selection of H/W accelerated scaling, deinterlacing, and frame rate switching options. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xorp 47 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Really annoyed to have madVR missing after running 2.5.40 flawlessly for months. I wanted to enjoy a Friday night movie, and now find all my Emby Theater settings are fucked up with madVR gone. Why force mpv on us if it's still half baked. The auto refresh rate switching isn't working as of 2.6.9. Maybe the developers are not aware of the massive community of support and enthusiasts for madVR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37007 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 MPV supports a pretty vast selection of filters and scaling algorithms. Just take a look here: https://mpv.io/manual/master/ Let us know which of those switches you'd like to see in the Emby UI and we're happy to add them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdiesel 1113 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) madVR support is what got me to switch to Emby. I understand the value in mpv for it's multi platform support which simplifies development between all clients. I will be sticking with 2.5.40 until it no longer works then likely move back to Kodi for my home theater room client. Edited May 13, 2017 by Jdiesel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 I think the biggest issue is not having a UI that you incrementally tweak any/every setting on the fly. Having a UI for all the settings is possible (though a lot of work to create), but mpv is devised in a way that it has be restarted for any settings to be used. The usability of directshow filters is different to how mpv is constructed. Luke, is there any possibility/likelihood (if we do enough testing) of creating a UI that can be used in a similar way to MadVR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37007 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 I think the biggest issue is not having a UI that you incrementally tweak any/every setting on the fly. Having a UI for all the settings is possible (though a lot of work to create), but mpv is devised in a way that it has be restarted for any settings to be used. The usability of directshow filters is different to how mpv is constructed. Luke, is there any possibility/likelihood (if we do enough testing) of creating a UI that can be used in a similar way to MadVR? Well yes that's what I just hinted at in post #61. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Well yes that's what I just hinted at in post #61. Oh! Well, then we should test all possible options 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chest Rockwell 3 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) MPV supports a pretty vast selection of filters and scaling algorithms. Just take a look here: https://mpv.io/manual/master/ Let us know which of those switches you'd like to see in the Emby UI and we're happy to add them. I am not a S/W developer so the documentation is a bit of a mystery to me. But I will take a stab at it. I would recommend starting with switches to enable at least the following: Luma & Chroma Scaling: --scale=<filter> --cscale=<filter> [JINC] filters: ewa_lanczos ewa_lanczossharp In the future, I think many videophiles will want a few more options, including h/w accelerated neural net type image doubling (e.g., NNEDI3). I don’t see it listed in the current documentation but there are some references to it and Super-XBR on GitHub. It appears that MVP uses Bilinear scaling by default, just like many GPU's in DXVA2. Bilinear is fast but poor quality. So we really need some switches to activate better options. Deinterlacing: There needs to be auto-detection of film versus video. With inverse telecine applied to film and a spatio-temporal deinterlacer applied to video. I see references to YADIF, which a decent if not stellar deinterlacer. Not entirely clear to me when YADIF is used compared to the options below, which would also be desirable. Basic Bob and Weave need to be avoided. vavpp deint=<motion-compensated> vdpaupp deint-mode=<temporal-spatial> d3dllvpp mode=<mocomp> Edited May 13, 2017 by Chest Rockwell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyravey1972 3 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 I am really disappointed to find out Madvr has dissapeared. Why was this not even discussed? I pay for premium because of MadVr playback. Why cannot Windows users have the option of using Madvr? It worked great so why remove it? Such a disappointment. Back to Jriver then! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMGNYC 10 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 What is MPV doing with black levels? In other words, what's the best settings in the video driver and ET if the display is calibrated for 16-235? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdiesel 1113 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) What is MPV doing with black levels? In other words, what's the best settings in the video driver and ET if the display is calibrated for 16-235? The default for mpv is full so you will likely want to add ”video-output-levels=limited" to your config and make sure your video drivers are set to ”full" to passthough the signal untouched to your TV. Edited May 13, 2017 by Jdiesel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37007 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 The default for mpv is full so you will likely want to add ”video-output-levels=limited" to your config and make sure your video drivers are set to ”full" to passthough the signal untouched to your TV. This setting is in the Emby Theater UI so you don't need to use a config file to change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37007 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 2.7 will expose a number of new settings in the UI for your enjoyment: --scale --cscale --dscale --tscale Thanks guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37007 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 And also - dither depth - sigmoid upscaling - forcing correct downscaling - debanding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedingcheetah 39 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) I am really disappointed to find out Madvr has dissapeared. Why was this not even discussed? I pay for premium because of MadVr playback. Why cannot Windows users have the option of using Madvr? It worked great so why remove it? Such a disappointment. Back to Jriver then! It was...in the testing forum: https://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/46763-theater-mpv-test/page-1 Edited May 13, 2017 by speedingcheetah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JunkStar 11 Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 I really get that the developers want a better and more stable video player for the future. What i dont get is why you removed MadVR when MPV isnt even close to being fully implemented? Why not have both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyravey1972 3 Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 completely agree why not give your end users ( who are paying for premium and bought knowing madvr was implemented) the option to use madvr or not, Seems a no brainer to me!!! Why pay a monthly fee if the end product has fundamentally changed from what was originally offered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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