charredchar 4 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) I am sorry that I now feel the need to bring this up here as I have normally not found this to be an issue but I feel you have now gone too far. I now need to wait, constantly, as a timer counts down to play my media using the web interface on top of the always bothering main page display to purchase Premiere. If I actually liked or needed any of the features premiere offered or you had a one time payment option I would surely look at that. But as it stands I currently use Emby for little more than transcoding and episode status across a few devices. I use my own hardware, my own internet service for everything Emby does, I am not asking your servers to do anything and because of which being bugged for payment gets old real fast when I am already paying on my end to keep a server running. This is one of the big reasons I was driven away from Plex and found your software to begin with. Please, PLEASE either add an option for the users that do not see a benefit from extra "features" to either disable the nags or come up with a more bare bones server software and leave us alone or another payment tier along the lines of "showing support" that does not need add more features and does not need ongoing payment. Edit: As a quick note to the fact that the little I need from Emby, I have already reverted back to an older version that does not bug me in the same way and preventing the server from auto-updating until this is handled better. I thank you for you work, but if it comes with being bothered this much for the use of my own media then I do not want it. Edited January 29, 2017 by charredchar 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkss12 295 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 WOW!!!????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 If I actually liked or needed any of the features premiere offered or you had a one time payment option I would surely look at that. that does not need add more features and does not need ongoing payment. One time payment https://emby.media/premiere.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charredchar 4 Posted January 29, 2017 Author Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) One time payment https://emby.media/premiere.html I was originally going to mention that the ToS stated, Lifetime Term: Lifetime shall mean the current major version of the Emby server software or twenty-four months, whichever is longer. (E.g. The Emby server software is currently at version 3.XXXX. A lifetime subscription shall be valid until Emby server software reaches version 4.XXX or twenty-four months, whichever occurs later.) But it looks like that changed this year. Lifetime Term: Lifetime shall mean the entire period in which the respective product, services, and/or features, as indicated below and updated from time to time, are offered for license. That seems like a nice change, but it still comes with features I just have no use for and a price tag to resemble that. Edited January 29, 2017 by charredchar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 I was originally going to mention that the ToS stated, But it looks like that changed this year. That seems like a nice change, but it still comes with features I just have no use for and a price tag to resemble that. https://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/38149-wording-on-lifetime-license/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrbee99 1551 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 I thought using the server and viewing through the web interface i.e. a browser was always free ? has it changed or am I missing something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37005 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 It is free but we do periodically present information about Emby Premiere to non-Premiere users. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maegibbons 1267 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 IMHO, the OP should "get real", stick with the old build he likes or move on. If emby does what you want why not pay for it? As you point out you pay for everything else so why not for the excellent software that emby is? Krs Mark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc_G 92 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Just the time to read this thread, I value greater than the lifetime license cost... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellomade 140 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumbaar 12 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 You can try other services, but you'll be able to do far less for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gstuartj 39 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) I'm an Emby Premier supporter and am unaffected by this, but I do find it concerning. Nag all you want in the Dashboard or an indicator in the UI, but users should not be waiting on timers to play their media in the community build of open source software. Plex is annoying enough, but not even they do this in the standard web UI. I'm a believer in the commercialization of open source software, I want you guys to get paid and get paid well, but this decision seems short-sighted and strategically questionable in a competitive software space where Emby is still the underdog. I would urge you to reconsider the way you present the premier membership nag screen before someone forks the server and removes it themselves. Basic, core functionality should not be affected by membership status. Thank you for your work. Edited February 1, 2017 by gstuartj 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwattackthis 5 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I love getting nagged to support a project that I actually have financially supported. Thanks, guys. Normally I don't mind this stuff, but damn you're just increasingly taking it further and further. If you want me to buy emby premier, offer something worth paying for. "we'll annoy you less" isn't a feature... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumbaar 12 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 [sarcasm]Yes, you offer far too much as a free service compared to other similar media delivery ecosystems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drashna 46 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 I love getting nagged to support a project that I actually have financially supported. Thanks, guys. Normally I don't mind this stuff, but damn you're just increasingly taking it further and further. If you want me to buy emby premier, offer something worth paying for. "we'll annoy you less" isn't a feature... You mean like the CoverArt, Trailer, Server Config Backup and other plugins? Don't forget all the time, effort, and money that Luke, CBers, and the other developers have put into this product. That's the thing I hate the most about open source software. It's not the developers (usually), and it's not the software. It's the entitled users that assume that they DESERVE the software. Stuff that they wouldn't code themselves, nor contribute to, but still want working just how they like. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwattackthis 5 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 You mean like the CoverArt, Trailer, Server Config Backup and other plugins? I didn't say it didn't come with features. I said the features aren't worth it. Not a single one of those is worth $99. You understand that word, yes? Don't forget all the time, effort, and money that Luke, CBers, and the other developers have put into this product. That's the thing I hate the most about open source software. It's not the developers (usually), and it's not the software. It's the entitled users that assume that they DESERVE the software. Stuff that they wouldn't code themselves, nor contribute to, but still want working just how they like. Nah, the worst part of FOSS are the users that defend projects tooth and nail when the project starts making shitty decisions. These are the ones that encourage the project to continue making bad decisions which will only hurt the project further. Why not fork the product, remove the nag, and compile it?It's hosted on github, and you can easily find instructions on how to compile (hint, check the dev/nightly sections). Great idea! Let's get people to not use Emby and instead use a project the developers you adore so much will have 0 opportunity to make any money. Really great reasoning, there. If the best defense of a "feature" you can come up with is "use something else!" then you clearly have no clue what you're talking about and probably shouldn't be commenting. The fact you can't see how these changes are going to hurt the project in the long run is, to be frank, sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathsquirrel 741 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Is there some rational reason this thread hasn't been locked? If the free version doesn't meet your needs then either pay or use a different product. People put more than $99 worth of energy into bitching about how they don't want to pay $99 I swear. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastrmind11 717 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 God I love internet drama... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 God I love internet drama... Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwattackthis 5 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Is there some rational reason this thread hasn't been locked? If the free version doesn't meet your needs then either pay or use a different product. People put more than $99 worth of energy into bitching about how they don't want to pay $99 I swear. Uh, is there some rational reason the thread should be locked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenkethBoy 2063 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 God I love internet drama... trouble is he can't watch it on emby as he will get a timer nag screen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathsquirrel 741 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Uh, is there some rational reason the thread should be locked? The thread devolving into insults and being utterly pointless springs to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwattackthis 5 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 The thread devolving into insults and being utterly pointless springs to mind. I don't see a single insult in the thread. How is it "utterly pointless"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breezytm 124 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 I am just here to read the comments and eat my popcorn so don't mind me lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drashna 46 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 I didn't say it didn't come with features. I said the features aren't worth it. Not a single one of those is worth $99. You understand that word, yes? Yes I do undersand. They are definitely nice features? Are they alone worth $100, $50 for a year or $5 for a month?... Maybe not. But the entire product *is* worth the money. And they're not charging you for it up front. Yes, it nags. But you're the one that registered to .. what? just bitch that it doesn't meet your exact needs, and nags you for usage? Well, maybe they should close source it, and then charge for it up front instead? Like a lot of products do. Nah, the devs are awesome in that they let you use the software pretty much in it's full form without locking everything down. yes, it nags, and yes, it may be a bit more aggressive than it needs/should be. How about posting something constructive rather than just bitching? Nah, the worst part of FOSS are the users that defend projects tooth and nail when the project starts making shitty decisions. These are the ones that encourage the project to continue making bad decisions which will only hurt the project further. You do realize that your statement applies EQUALLY to both of us, right? How about next time, "I feel like the new version nags too much. I've rolled back to a previous version beacuse it isn't a good experience for me, anymore" rather than "you've gone too far!!" You can catch a lot more flies with honey, than vinegar. And the FOSS community attacks people that want everything THEIR way, but aren't willing to contribute. Code, time, resources or money. And get angry when people disagree with them. Precisely like what you're doing. That singlehandedly is the worse part of the open source community. Great idea! Let's get people to not use Emby and instead use a project the developers you adore so much will have 0 opportunity to make any money. Really great reasoning, there. If the best defense of a "feature" you can come up with is "use something else!" then you clearly have no clue what you're talking about and probably shouldn't be commenting. The fact you can't see how these changes are going to hurt the project in the long run is, to be frank, sad. Umm, no. that's not what I said. You're trying to put words into my mouth, and are making assumptions. But then again, that wouldn't be the first time that this has happened. LibreSonic forking the subsonic code is one example I can think of immediately. Because people like you don't want to pay for a good product. period. I presented a viable alternative that you could take. Published publicly or not... If you kept it local/private, it wouldn't impact Luke and the other devs at all, now would it? But you immediately jump to undercutting these guys. Says a hell of a lot more about you than it does me, doesn't it. You had options to be constructive here. You could have posted a bug on github. You could have posted a nice response here rather than "you've gone too far". But instead, you're upset and acting like a self-entitled jerk, and bitching beacuse you don't want to pay for the software, and you're not willing to edit it to get what you want. You act like you are OWED something here. You're not. Not even remotely. Is the nagging a good idea? Maybe, maybe not. But it's not your project. You've not invested in it in any manner. And you attack me for disagreeing with you. Congrats. You're an asshole. And I probably am too. But at least I choose not to be a self-entitled asshole. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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