moviefan 183 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Just bored tonight and looking at my collection and trying to understand why some of my HD movies show up as H.264 and some show up as BluRay via the CoverArt treatment. Going through the metadata details I can't find what the difference is between movies showing one or the other. Any help? Edited January 24, 2014 by moviefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koleckai Silvestri 1150 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 It most likely depends on the file formats and encoding of the individual files more than metadata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14853 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Are the ones showing as Blu-Rays actual BD rips? Or, have you mapped any specific covers in your CA setup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all4dom 73 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I have that same problem & all my files are mkv's. The metadata is listed as blueray. No rips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moviefan 183 Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 Nearly all of my files are encoded BluRay rips using h.264 codec in MKV container at 1080p resolution. Using the default profile for everything except the stuff I have excluded CoverArt from treating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14853 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Or, have you mapped any specific covers in your CA setup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moviefan 183 Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 Or, have you mapped any specific covers in your CA setup? No, the only configuration I have done is to exclude a single folder from treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14853 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Then best guess is those items are encoded as VC-1 which CA will designate as a Blu-Ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moviefan 183 Posted January 26, 2014 Author Share Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) Here are the first two movies in my Movie Library. 2 Guns is treated as H.264 3:10 to Yuma is treated as BluRay. As far as I can tell, the only difference between these two video files is that one includes chapters information, and the Bit Rates are a little different (10Mbps vs 14). MediaInfo output is below. Would the Chapters being included make the difference here? Or is it just the difference in Bitrate? Or something else that I am just not seeing? General Complete name : 2 Guns [2013] (R) [1080p].mkv Format : Matroska Format version : Version 2 File size : 7.65 GiB Duration : 1h 49mn Overall bit rate : 10.0 Mbps Writing application : mkvmerge v4.1.1 ('Bouncin' Back') built on Jul 3 2010 22:54:08 Writing library : libebml v1.0.0 + libmatroska v1.0 Video ID : 1 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : High@L4.1 Format settings, CABAC : Yes Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC Duration : 1h 49mn Bit rate : 8 513 Kbps Width : 1 920 pixels Height : 800 pixels Display aspect ratio : 2.40:1 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 23.976 fps Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.231 Stream size : 6.34 GiB (83%) Writing library : x264 core 140 r2377 1ca7bb9 Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=0 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=18 / lookahead_threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=8513 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00 Language : English Default : Yes Forced : No Audio ID : 2 Format : DTS Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems Mode : 16 Format settings, Endianness : Big Codec ID : A_DTS Duration : 1h 49mn Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 509 Kbps Channel(s) : 6 channels Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz Bit depth : 24 bits Compression mode : Lossy Stream size : 1.15 GiB (15%) Language : English Default : Yes Forced : No Text ID : 3 Format : UTF-8 Codec ID : S_TEXT/UTF8 Codec ID/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text Language : English Default : No Forced : No Menu 00:00:00.000 : en:00:00:00.000 00:05:36.044 : en:00:05:36.044 00:10:44.185 : en:00:10:44.185 00:15:15.206 : en:00:15:15.206 00:20:42.283 : en:00:20:42.283 00:24:47.736 : en:00:24:47.736 00:29:20.842 : en:00:29:20.842 00:36:24.099 : en:00:36:24.099 00:40:56.371 : en:00:40:56.371 00:45:39.278 : en:00:45:39.278 00:52:17.051 : en:00:52:17.051 00:58:13.782 : en:00:58:13.782 01:05:49.988 : en:01:05:49.988 01:10:28.683 : en:01:10:28.683 01:14:35.388 : en:01:14:35.388 01:20:14.560 : en:01:20:14.560 01:24:46.915 : en:01:24:46.915 01:31:11.925 : en:01:31:11.925 01:38:23.648 : en:01:38:23.648 01:41:02.640 : en:01:41:02.640 General Unique ID : 2525489126855865474931370690645357349747 (0xBDFF26BDFADEB64B3AD8FD7552201CB73) Complete name : 3-10 to Yuma [2007] (R) [1080p].mkv Format : Matroska Format version : Version 2 File size : 12.0 GiB Duration : 2h 2mn Overall bit rate : 14.0 Mbps Encoded date : UTC 2011-11-27 15:47:06 Writing application : mkvmerge v5.0.1 ('Es ist Sommer') built on Oct 9 2011 11:55:43 Writing library : libebml v1.2.2 + libmatroska v1.3.0 Video ID : 1 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : High@L4.1 Format settings, CABAC : Yes Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames Muxing mode : Header stripping Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC Duration : 2h 2mn Bit rate : 12.5 Mbps Width : 1 920 pixels Height : 800 pixels Display aspect ratio : 2.40:1 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 23.976 fps Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.339 Stream size : 10.5 GiB (87%) Title : x264 DXVA - 12.5 Mbps Writing library : x264 core 67 r1162M f7bfcfa Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:-3:-3 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=9 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=32 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=0 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / rc=2pass / bitrate=12500 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=3 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:0.80 Language : English Default : Yes Forced : No Audio ID : 2 Format : DTS Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems Mode : 16 Format settings, Endianness : Big Muxing mode : Header stripping Codec ID : A_DTS Duration : 2h 2mn Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 510 Kbps Channel(s) : 6 channels Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz Bit depth : 16 bits Compression mode : Lossy Stream size : 1.29 GiB (11%) Title : DTS 5.1 - 1536 kbps Language : English Default : Yes Forced : No Text ID : 3 Format : UTF-8 Codec ID : S_TEXT/UTF8 Codec ID/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text Language : English Default : No Forced : No Edited January 27, 2014 by moviefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14853 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Look at the two in the web client editor. Is the media info in there any different? Does 3:10 to Yuma have "Blu-Ray" in the "Treat Image As" field under Display Settings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollatbk 1 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Is it possible to treat every movie in a certain library with the same coverart automatically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14853 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Is it possible to treat every movie in a certain library with the same coverart automatically? Please open a new thread with a different question so we can be sure to address the one in here properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moviefan 183 Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 Look at the two in the web client editor. Is the media info in there any different? Does 3:10 to Yuma have "Blu-Ray" in the "Treat Image As" field under Display Settings? Indeed this seems to be the issue. The movies showing as BluRay have treat as Blu-Ray and the movies showing H.264 have treat as Movie. Looking in the movie.xml file I see this is actually specified in the Type tag. Not sure how I missed this before. Must be a result of MCM metadata collection I am guessing. Will look at this a bit more and see if I can fix. Can you tell me what MB does if the Type tag is not filled in? If it is Type Movie does it always show as H.264, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14853 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 If that is not filled in it goes by the actual type and your settings. That is an override capability for the user. For instance, many people want to show their h264 encoded mkvs that they ripped from a Blu-Ray as Blu-Ray. But, technically, they are not BDs anymore. A BD is a specific specification of a format that includes active menus etc. The only way you get a true BD on your machine is either via an ISO or full folder rip. But most people don't use those formats (and shouldn't really as we get better features with files) so CA provides the ability to specify that you want an item to be treated as if it were actually a full BD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moviefan 183 Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) I thought when I saw this tag that MCM was surely adding it when I first did the metadata collection but it is actually MediaBrowser doing it. I just ran a movie through MCM, copied the movie.xml that was created. and then put it in my MB collection and let it go through its normal process. After running through MCM there is no Type tag in the xml, but once MB did its metadata collection it was added and made type "Movie" It seems that this should be expected behavior? What is the benefit of changing all of the types to Movie? Is there a way to get CA to treat my HD rips as BluRay even though MB is adding this tag or some way to get MB to stop adding it? I looked at the CoverArt configuration and when I click on the Treatments tab, for Movie, it shows a picture of a BluRay cover - but this is not what shows in MB. It shows the H.264 treatment for type "Movie". hmmmmmmm Edited February 1, 2014 by moviefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution ebr 14853 Posted February 1, 2014 Solution Share Posted February 1, 2014 The type tag of "Movie" will have no bearing on the CA treatment. That is just a default. CA has a lot of possible configuration options. You can almost make it do anything you want. As I explained above, the items you dealing with are not actually Blu-Ray discs anymore so CA is using more specific treatments to show you exactly what the movie is encoded as. There are a bunch of ways you can make it different. One simple way would be to select "Cover by Definition" on the first options page for your CA profile. This will give an HD cover to all HD content and an SD cover to all SD content. To be more specific, you can go in and tell CA to use specific cover treatments for specific types of items and/or codecs. So, you could go in and tell it to treat all H264 encoded content as Blu-Ray. Even if you do the cover by definition thing, you can also go to specific covers and tell it exactly which cover to use for HD and SD. So, you could make your HD content have a Blu Ray cover and your SD content a DVD one - or whatever you want from the available types. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moviefan 183 Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share Posted February 2, 2014 The type tag of "Movie" will have no bearing on the CA treatment. That is just a default. CA has a lot of possible configuration options. You can almost make it do anything you want. As I explained above, the items you dealing with are not actually Blu-Ray discs anymore so CA is using more specific treatments to show you exactly what the movie is encoded as. There are a bunch of ways you can make it different. One simple way would be to select "Cover by Definition" on the first options page for your CA profile. This will give an HD cover to all HD content and an SD cover to all SD content. To be more specific, you can go in and tell CA to use specific cover treatments for specific types of items and/or codecs. So, you could go in and tell it to treat all H264 encoded content as Blu-Ray. Even if you do the cover by definition thing, you can also go to specific covers and tell it exactly which cover to use for HD and SD. So, you could make your HD content have a Blu Ray cover and your SD content a DVD one - or whatever you want from the available types. Thanks I followed this suggestion and it is showing all my HD rips as BluRay and SD rips as DVD now. I think this is good enough for my purposes and won't confuse everyone that uses the system besides me that have no idea what H.264 is! Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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