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Just bored tonight and looking at my collection and trying to understand why some of my HD movies show up as H.264 and some show up as BluRay via the CoverArt treatment.

 

Going through the metadata details I can't find what the difference is between movies showing one or the other.

 

Any help?

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Koleckai Silvestri

It most likely depends on the file formats and encoding of the individual files more than metadata.

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Are the ones showing  as Blu-Rays actual BD rips?

 

Or, have you mapped any specific covers in your CA setup?

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Nearly all of my files are encoded BluRay rips using h.264 codec in MKV container at 1080p resolution.  Using the default profile for everything except the stuff I have excluded CoverArt from treating.

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Or, have you mapped any specific covers in your CA setup?

 

 

No, the only configuration I have done is to exclude a single folder from treatment.

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Here are the first two movies in my Movie Library.

 

2 Guns is treated as H.264

3:10 to Yuma is treated as BluRay.

 

As far as I can tell, the only difference between these two video files is that one includes chapters information, and the Bit Rates are a little different (10Mbps vs 14).  MediaInfo output is below.

 

Would the Chapters being included make the difference here?  Or is it just the difference in Bitrate?  Or something else that I am just not seeing?

General
Complete name                            : 2 Guns [2013] (R) [1080p].mkv
Format                                   : Matroska
Format version                           : Version 2
File size                                : 7.65 GiB
Duration                                 : 1h 49mn
Overall bit rate                         : 10.0 Mbps
Writing application                      : mkvmerge v4.1.1 ('Bouncin' Back') built on Jul  3 2010 22:54:08
Writing library                          : libebml v1.0.0 + libmatroska v1.0

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames                : 5 frames
Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                                 : 1h 49mn
Bit rate                                 : 8 513 Kbps
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 800 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 2.40:1
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.231
Stream size                              : 6.34 GiB (83%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 140 r2377 1ca7bb9
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=0 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=18 / lookahead_threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=8513 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : DTS
Format/Info                              : Digital Theater Systems
Mode                                     : 16
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Codec ID                                 : A_DTS
Duration                                 : 1h 49mn
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 509 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 1.15 GiB (15%)
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Text
ID                                       : 3
Format                                   : UTF-8
Codec ID                                 : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info                            : UTF-8 Plain Text
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No

Menu
00:00:00.000                             : en:00:00:00.000
00:05:36.044                             : en:00:05:36.044
00:10:44.185                             : en:00:10:44.185
00:15:15.206                             : en:00:15:15.206
00:20:42.283                             : en:00:20:42.283
00:24:47.736                             : en:00:24:47.736
00:29:20.842                             : en:00:29:20.842
00:36:24.099                             : en:00:36:24.099
00:40:56.371                             : en:00:40:56.371
00:45:39.278                             : en:00:45:39.278
00:52:17.051                             : en:00:52:17.051
00:58:13.782                             : en:00:58:13.782
01:05:49.988                             : en:01:05:49.988
01:10:28.683                             : en:01:10:28.683
01:14:35.388                             : en:01:14:35.388
01:20:14.560                             : en:01:20:14.560
01:24:46.915                             : en:01:24:46.915
01:31:11.925                             : en:01:31:11.925
01:38:23.648                             : en:01:38:23.648
01:41:02.640                             : en:01:41:02.640

General
Unique ID                                : 2525489126855865474931370690645357349747 (0xBDFF26BDFADEB64B3AD8FD7552201CB73)
Complete name                            : 3-10 to Yuma [2007] (R) [1080p].mkv
Format                                   : Matroska
Format version                           : Version 2
File size                                : 12.0 GiB
Duration                                 : 2h 2mn
Overall bit rate                         : 14.0 Mbps
Encoded date                             : UTC 2011-11-27 15:47:06
Writing application                      : mkvmerge v5.0.1 ('Es ist Sommer') built on Oct  9 2011 11:55:43
Writing library                          : libebml v1.2.2 + libmatroska v1.3.0

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames                : 5 frames
Muxing mode                              : Header stripping
Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                                 : 2h 2mn
Bit rate                                 : 12.5 Mbps
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 800 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 2.40:1
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.339
Stream size                              : 10.5 GiB (87%)
Title                                    : x264 DXVA - 12.5 Mbps
Writing library                          : x264 core 67 r1162M f7bfcfa
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:-3:-3 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=9 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=32 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=0 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / rc=2pass / bitrate=12500 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=3 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:0.80
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : DTS
Format/Info                              : Digital Theater Systems
Mode                                     : 16
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Muxing mode                              : Header stripping
Codec ID                                 : A_DTS
Duration                                 : 2h 2mn
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 510 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 1.29 GiB (11%)
Title                                    : DTS 5.1 - 1536 kbps
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Text
ID                                       : 3
Format                                   : UTF-8
Codec ID                                 : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info                            : UTF-8 Plain Text
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No

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Look at the two in the web client editor.  Is the media info in there any different?

 

Does 3:10 to Yuma have "Blu-Ray" in the "Treat Image As" field under Display Settings? 

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Is it possible to treat every movie in a certain library with the same coverart automatically?

 

Please open a new thread with a different question so we can be sure to address the one in here properly.

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moviefan

Look at the two in the web client editor.  Is the media info in there any different?

 

Does 3:10 to Yuma have "Blu-Ray" in the "Treat Image As" field under Display Settings? 

 

Indeed this seems to be the issue.  The movies showing as BluRay have treat as Blu-Ray and the movies showing H.264 have treat as Movie.

 

Looking in the movie.xml file I see this is actually specified in the Type tag.  Not sure how I missed this before.  Must be a result of MCM metadata collection I am guessing.

 

Will look at this a bit more and see if I can fix.

 

Can you tell me what MB does if the Type tag is not filled in?  If it is Type Movie does it always show as H.264, etc?

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If that is not filled in it goes by the actual type and your settings.  

 

That is an override capability for the user.  For instance, many people want to show their h264 encoded mkvs that they ripped from a Blu-Ray as Blu-Ray.  But, technically, they are not BDs anymore.  A BD is a specific specification of a format that includes active menus etc.  The only way you get a true BD on your machine is either via an ISO or full folder rip.  But most people don't use those formats (and shouldn't really as we get better features with files) so CA provides the ability to specify that you want an item to be treated as if it were actually a full BD.

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I thought when I saw this tag that MCM was surely adding it when I first did the metadata collection but it is actually MediaBrowser doing it.

 

I just ran a movie through MCM, copied the movie.xml that was created. and then put it in my MB collection and let it go through its normal process.

 

After running through MCM there is no Type tag in the xml, but once MB did its metadata collection it was added and made type "Movie"

 

It seems that this should be expected behavior?  What is the benefit of changing all of the types to Movie?

 

Is there a way to get CA to treat my HD rips as BluRay even though MB is adding this tag or some way to get MB to stop adding it?

 

I looked at the CoverArt configuration and when I click on the Treatments tab, for Movie, it shows a picture of a BluRay cover - but this is not what shows in MB.  It shows the H.264 treatment for type "Movie".  

 

hmmmmmmm

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The type tag of "Movie" will have no bearing on the CA treatment.  That is just a default.

 

CA has a lot of possible configuration options.  You can almost make it do anything you want.  As I explained above, the items you dealing with are not actually Blu-Ray discs anymore so CA is using more specific treatments to show you exactly what the movie is encoded as.

 

There are a bunch of ways you can make it different.  One simple way would be to select "Cover by Definition" on the first options page for your CA profile.  This will give an HD cover to all HD content and an SD cover to all SD content.

 

To be more specific, you can go in and tell CA to use specific cover treatments for specific types of items and/or codecs.  So, you could go in and tell it to treat all H264 encoded content as Blu-Ray.  Even if you do the cover by definition thing, you can also go to specific covers and tell it exactly which cover to use for HD and SD.  So, you could make your HD content have a Blu Ray cover and your SD content a DVD one - or whatever you want from the available types.

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The type tag of "Movie" will have no bearing on the CA treatment.  That is just a default.

 

CA has a lot of possible configuration options.  You can almost make it do anything you want.  As I explained above, the items you dealing with are not actually Blu-Ray discs anymore so CA is using more specific treatments to show you exactly what the movie is encoded as.

 

There are a bunch of ways you can make it different.  One simple way would be to select "Cover by Definition" on the first options page for your CA profile.  This will give an HD cover to all HD content and an SD cover to all SD content.

 

To be more specific, you can go in and tell CA to use specific cover treatments for specific types of items and/or codecs.  So, you could go in and tell it to treat all H264 encoded content as Blu-Ray.  Even if you do the cover by definition thing, you can also go to specific covers and tell it exactly which cover to use for HD and SD.  So, you could make your HD content have a Blu Ray cover and your SD content a DVD one - or whatever you want from the available types.

 

Thanks I followed this suggestion and it is showing all my HD rips as BluRay and SD rips as DVD now.  I think this is good enough for my purposes and won't confuse everyone that uses the system besides me that have no idea what H.264 is!

 

Thanks.

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