Guest Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 I am struggling to get SD recorded TV files to play back smoothly in ET on my lounge PC which is an i3-3220, running 32 bit Windows 10, 4GB RAM and an Nvidia GT 730, audio is going via HDMI to a Sony AVR, and video going via DVI to a 1920 x 1080 LCD TV. If I play it back using EVR it is smooth and in synch, but letterboxed. If I play it back using any other combinations of EVR+ / MadVR / Stable / Edge / Smooth motion, it is full screen but has varying degrees of jerkiness. I have tried to use Reclock to correct the jerkiness, again, with many different combinations of settings, but however I configure it, the audio and video drift out of sync after a few minutes. I use auto refresh rate switching, this particular file is 25 fps, and the TV is set at 50hz. If I switch to MediaPortal 1 on the same machine, the file plays back fine. I attach a screengrab of the mediainfo of one of the files. I think it would play back okay just using EVR / stable - but we need to overcome the letterboxing - is this possible? thanks lisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stettler 27 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 If your GPU isn't powerfull enough, you can try Madvr but you need to change some setting. The first thing to do is to change the "image upscaling" method in the madvr config. By default, it is using "lanczos" and that need a lot of resources. Try to use "processing done by gpu: bilinear". Problem is that the setting needed to play everything correctly (movie, live TV,...) are different from one GPU to another, especialy if you don't have a powerfull, dedicated GPU: On an older, Intel CPU (using Intel HD graphic 3500 GPU or so), I have to used "processing done by gpu: bilinear". But on a more recent Intel CPU, the only way I found to avoid errors (not frame drops) is to use "processing done by gpu : DXVA2" I would try those settings first: Devices -> hdr -> disable (if you don't have a HDR TV, no need for extra processing) Scaling algorithms -> chroma upscaling -> bicubic Scaling algorithms -> image upscaling -> processing done by gpu : DXVA2 If the upscalling isn't good, try (from what I tested, old intel GPU weren't great so better let madvr do it with a fast method like bilinear. Newer intel GPU gives better results so can let them handle it directly): Scaling algorithms -> image upscaling -> processing done by gpu : bilinear And in Emby Theater: Under MadVR settings: Smooth motion mode : disable Also, there is sometime problems when changing the monitor refresh rate. If that's the case, someone posted those settings that worked for me: In Emby Theater: Change monitor refresh rate to match video: yes In MadVR: Devices -> display mode -> switch to match display : disable Rendering -> General Setting -> Enable automatic fullscreen exclusive mode : disable Rendering -> General Setting -> Enable windowed overlay : enable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Thanks for the reply, I have an i3-3220 CPU and a Nvidia GT 730 (separate) graphics card. I'll give those settings a try in MadVR. But.. shouldn't EVR play SD videos full screen, rather than in a window in the middle of the screen with black borders all around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stettler 27 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Oh, and just one more thing: Your PC has a Nvidia GT730 GPU. But your CPU also has an intel HD Graphic 2500 GPU. It's very possible (probable) that the Intel GPU is used, instead of the Nvidia, to play video. That would explain why it struggle to upscale SD video with the default method. If that's the case, there must be a way to force the use of the Nvidia somehow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Oh, and just one more thing: Your PC has a Nvidia GT730 GPU. But your CPU also has an intel HD Graphic 2500 GPU. It's very possible (probable) that the Intel GPU is used, instead of the Nvidia, to play video. That would explain why it struggle to upscale SD video with the default method. If that's the case, there must be a way to force the use of the Nvidia somehow... I think that's unlikely - I have the TV connected to the DVI connection of the graphics card. And have the Nvidia drivers configured to send video to the TV. Out of interest if you play back an SD file similar to the one shown in the mediainfo screengrab, using EVR - does it play full screen for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stettler 27 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Thanks for the reply, I have an i3-3220 CPU and a Nvidia GT 730 (separate) graphics card. I'll give those settings a try in MadVR. But.. shouldn't EVR play SD videos full screen, rather than in a window in the middle of the screen with black borders all around? I don't know... I had the same problem with EVR and SD TV recording. There is probably some setting about how to resize video in EVR but I didn't really searched. For me, one of the EVR had that resizing "problem" with SD live TV/recording and the other was displaying the subtitle in the wrong location. So I prefered to make MadVR work by using settings that need less GPU resources. (that's why EVR and EVR+ are playing fine: they use methods that need less resources. MadVR can also be configured to use the same methods, it's just not the default settings) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stettler 27 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 I think that's unlikely - I have the TV connected to the DVI connection of the graphics card. And have the Nvidia drivers configured to send video to the TV. Out of interest if you play back an SD file similar to the one shown in the mediainfo screengrab, using EVR - does it play full screen for you? I don't think it matter on which connector your TV is pluged: Yes, it will be displayed by that card but it doesn't mean that the calculation needed to resize the video will be done by that GPU. In fact, you can have pure GPU cards, that are only used for some specific calculation, on which you can't connect a monitor at all. Yes. I had that resizing problem with EVR. It's probably not a "problem" but a question of choosing the correct resizing option in EVR settings (if there is some) but I didn't searched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 If this is a folder rip, I think EVR has an issue with the MPEG2 in that format. This has been reported many times. Folder rips aren't recommended. Ripping to an MKV container is advised. There's much more support for h264 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Okay, thanks for that, I'll give those settings a try with MadVR when I get a chance over the next couple of days. I have tried MadVR multiple times with other video players, even on my gaming machine that has a GTX 970, my personal opinion is that it is a pain to configure, and doesn't seem to ever give me anything particularly spectacular at the end! I am only trying to get smooth and in sync playback on a 55 inch HD TV, so I think with this hardware, EVR should be enough. That is why I am switching to Emby, as ET seemed very easy to use / plug and play. I was hoping that there was just a fault with EVR that could be fixed by the devs so that I could just play back files that way - without all the fiddling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 (edited) If this is a folder rip, I think EVR has an issue with the MPEG2 in that format. This has been reported many times. Folder rips aren't recommended. Ripping to an MKV container is advised. There's much more support for h264 It is a recorded TV file - DVB-T (SD in the UK). Edited October 3, 2016 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Yes. I had that resizing problem with EVR. It's probably not a "problem" but a question of choosing the correct resizing option in EVR settings (if there is some) but I didn't searched. Good to know. There are no setting for EVR just stable or edge, and both play back letterboxed. I am hoping this is a fault that can be fixed by the devs. Hopefully! (please) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37060 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Can you provide an example file for testing? thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stettler 27 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 In MadVR, go to user interface -> keyboards shortcut and uncheck "use only if media player has keyboard focus" Then, when playing a video, you can hit "ctrl + j" to display some MadVR information overlay. If it shows that there is a lot of frames droped, it probably mean that the MadVR settings need too much GPU resources for your system and you need to change them. It may also shows that there is a lot of frame errors (I don't remember the exact name). In that case, it mean that the GPU has problem handling the the instructions it receives (or something like that). I had that with one intel GPU, that's why I had to use "processing done by gpu : DXVA2" and let the GPU handle it itself. No idee why that was happening... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Can you provide an example file for testing? thanks. Yes please! How is it best to do that, I have one here that is 1.1gb, is there somewhere I can upload it to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stettler 27 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 If this is a folder rip, I think EVR has an issue with the MPEG2 in that format. This has been reported many times. Folder rips aren't recommended. Ripping to an MKV container is advised. There's much more support for h264 I got the problem with playing live TV record of SD channels. (And yes, I could configure the TV to do the resizing itself if I really wanted to) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37060 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Anywhere. Before doing that, please try uninstalling Emby Theater and installing clean. Just to rule out the possibility that your installation has old filters. thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stettler 27 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 I have tried MadVR multiple times with other video players, even on my gaming machine that has a GTX 970, my personal opinion is that it is a pain to configure, and doesn't seem to ever give me anything particularly spectacular at the end! I am only trying to get smooth and in sync playback on a 55 inch HD TV, That's what I was trying to get too. As I said, if MadVR shows that there is frames drop, it's just that the default setting need too much resources. (mostly the upscaling algorithm) Good to know. There are no setting for EVR just stable or edge, and both play back letterboxed. I am hoping this is a fault that can be fixed by the devs. Hopefully! (please) It's like for MadVR: you can't change those setting in Emby Theater directly. You need to go into the configuration of EVR or MadVR. (Play a video and click on the EVR or MadVR icon in the taskbar. Or find the configuration program in the folder where EVR or MadVR was installed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Thanks everyone. I have uninstalled and re-installed Emby Theater and it is the same. So, I am now going to upload a file to my dropbox account and share the link, but I live in the Countryside and have rubbish internet speeds, so it may take a little while! Be back with the link asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Here it is (I hope)! https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eneq4ccqr8z7swy/AAAhXZCAZDa3LhE5ziPc_OLda?dl=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stettler 27 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 And here is a full TV SD recording: https://mega.nz/#!zEVmnZ5A!yigy42on0B_cDDC0sT7k4t8l0IoOUkwt4kfP3t1-Kcg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 I'll be home later, and I will test both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 @@lisag is the file you uploaded long enough for me to test the lip sync issue? I can test for that, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 The 24p lip sync issue is not relevant for this file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Are those files too big to share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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