Problems with the sorting order

[deeprain 4]

Hello everyone,

I have a problem with the sort order in collections.  
I think I have had this problem since the beginning with release 4.8  
At the moment I am using the current stable release 4.8.8.0 as a docker container.

My problem is that when playing Star Wars, for example, the play order always starts with episode 6, although the sort order is displayed correctly in the collection view.

I have chosen "Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace" or "Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace" as the name of the sort order, but unfortunately it always starts with Episode 6 when playing.

The display in the Metadata Manager is also displayed correctly.

I have already used different names in the sort order field by swapping "I" with "1" or even "StarWars1" without any additional characters. But unfortunately all without success.

Here is the metadata of episode 6:

I have also moved the film directories from one Emby instance to another, empty, Emby instance. Unfortunately, this was also unsuccessful. It always starts again at "Star Wars Episode 6"

The only thing that helps is to start with a number in the sort order. So "1StarWars", "2StarWars" etc. But that would be a no-go for me, as the complete order of the individual films would no longer be "clean".

Thanks for any feedback.
Alex

[Luke 40096]

Hi, how exactly are you starting playback?

[deeprain 4]

Hello Luke,

Thanks for the feedback.  
It's the same on all devices. I go into collection. This is created automatically without the deprecated boxset plugin. Then I open the StartWars film series and press play. In the browser (Chrome, Edge, Safari, Firefox) as with the Apple apps tvOS, iPadOS, iOS & macOS) it is the same phenomenon. Star Wars Episode 6 starts first. 6-5-4-1-2-3-7-8-9

What is perhaps worth mentioning is that with StartWars 4-5-6 I have the "Remastered Version" and the "Original Cinema Version". Only the "Original cinema version" is played, although the selection is set to "Remasterd version" for the item. And I've just seen that you can split the versions into separate items. I have not done that. I have both versions in the same directory.

It only occurs with this collection. All other collections are played in the correct order. I have not yet tried to create my own eCollection for e.g. "Lord of the Rings" and "The Hobbit". But could the different versions of be the deciding factor?

[Luke 40096]

Hi, what play button did you click?

[deeprain 4]

Hi Luke,

I use this play button:

[Luke 40096]

Strange. @Happy2Play are you able to reproduce?

[Happy2Play 9445]

3 minutes ago, Luke said:

Strange. @Happy2Play are you able to reproduce?

No it honors the sort order I select. 

Metadata Display order is honored with sort option on Collection order ie Sort Title or Release Date

With Sort Title it plays Episode 1

With Release date it plays Episode 6

 

But have never tested play from Collection and the movies local trailer plays before the movie.  And clicking next does it for each movie in the collection.  Cinema mode disabled.

 

[Luke 40096]

1 hour ago, Happy2Play said:

No it honors the sort order I select. 

Metadata Display order is honored with sort option on Collection order ie Sort Title or Release Date

With Sort Title it plays Episode 1

With Release date it plays Episode 6

 

But have never tested play from Collection and the movies local trailer plays before the movie.  And clicking next does it for each movie in the collection.  Cinema mode disabled.

 

In 4.8.8? I don't see that on the beta.

[Happy2Play 9445]

1 minute ago, Luke said:

In 4.8.8? I don't see that on the beta.

Yes that was on release 4.8.8.0.  Will see what content I have on my beta test server to retest

[Happy2Play 9445]

13 minutes ago, Luke said:

In 4.8.8? I don't see that on the beta.

Yes my trailers issue is only in 4.8.8.0 not beta 4.9.0.26

Both versions honor set sort in my tests.

Even retested renaming sort title to StarWars1 thru StarWars9.

[deeprain 4]

Hello everyone,

I have found the "problem". Unfortunately it still exists, but I was able to narrow it down.

By the way, I don't use the cinema mode.
As mentioned before, I have two versions of Star Wars 4-6. Both are in the same directory. The naming is exactly as requested with the edition name at the end. It does not work with this setting/configuration. (https://emby.media/support/articles/Movie-Naming.html#multi-version-movies)

But now I have removed one version so that there is only one version in the movie folder. With this configuration, playback works as it should in sort order.

So the problem is with the combination of "Collections" and "Multi Version Movies".

I don't think I had any problems with version 4.7.x. In terms of file age, the versions are about 4 years old.

[Happy2Play 9445]

13 minutes ago, deeprain said:

Hello everyone,

I have found the "problem". Unfortunately it still exists, but I was able to narrow it down.

By the way, I don't use the cinema mode.
As mentioned before, I have two versions of Star Wars 4-6. Both are in the same directory. The naming is exactly as requested with the edition name at the end. It does not work with this setting/configuration. (https://emby.media/support/articles/Movie-Naming.html#multi-version-movies)

But now I have removed one version so that there is only one version in the movie folder. With this configuration, playback works as it should in sort order.

So the problem is with the combination of "Collections" and "Multi Version Movies".

I don't think I had any problems with version 4.7.x. In terms of file age, the versions are about 4 years old.

Yes I can potentially see this being a issue as multi-version don't get their metadata updated so applied sort order does not apply to each version only the displayed version.  

But yes older versions will/could have totally different issues then current or beta version.

Edited July 1, 2024 by Happy2Play

[Luke 40096]

Is there an actual issue or is this just a case of the different versions having different values in their own metadata?

[deeprain 4]

Hi Luke,
I'll pull up a completely new instance and recreate the problem. That way I can make sure that everything is set up without plugins or anything else.
I can also verify exactly what happened.

[visproduction 283]

Try sort title:  Star Wars 05, Star Wars 06, etc.

Perhaps the alpha function likes that better.  I use this and it works.

Hope that helps.

[deeprain 4]

Hello Luke,

I've just gone through it again completely:
I'm working entirely with linuxServer.io containers on a Red Hat Enterprise Linux host system

in Emby Beta 4.9.0.40

• after completely rebuilding the container the folder /config/metadata was missing, but this is not relevant for this case
• Library set up identically to my library in the productive system
• the movies and also movie versions that were already in the library folder, an nfo file was created directly
• Metadata edited so that the sorting works properly for Star Wars Episode 4-6
  • Sorting in collections is done according to the title of the movie
• Playback test or playback sequence
  1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6
  => everything is fine
• NFO files checked
• for films with several versions (Star Wars Episode 4-6) the CinemaVersion was imported first in each case
  • only for these versions the nfo file was adjusted, for the versions that were added later, the nfo file is unchanged.
  • This means that “SortName” was not set.

in Emby Stable 4.8.10.0

• after completely rebuilding the container the folder /config/metadata was missing, but this is not relevant for this case
• Library set up identically to my library in the productive system
• the movies and also versions that were already in the library folder, an nfo file was created directly
• Metadata edited so that the sorting works properly for Star Wars Episode 4-6
  • Sorting in collections is done according to the title of the movie
• Playback test or playback sequence
  6 - 5 - 4 - 1 - 2 - 3
  => incorrect order, despite clean sorting, identical to emby Beta 4.9.0.40 and according to visproduction's suggestion
• NFO files checked
• for movies with multiple versions (Star Wars Episode 4-6) the CinemaVersion was imported first
  • only for these versions the nfo file was adjusted, for the versions that were added later, the nfo file is unchanged.
• This means that “SortName” was not set.

As far as the error with the playback sequence is concerned, I only noticed this in version 4.8.x.x. I don't know how much work it will take or when the new stable release of Emby will appear, that's up to the developers to decide how to proceed in this case. It would just be nice if it worked in a stable release.

What I find a pity, or would be good if this could be built in somehow, would be that if I change the version, I could then also edit the correct version via “Edit metadata”. So that the correct nfo file is then selected. Or that the option to edit both versions is integrated in the metadata manager.

@visproduction
Thanks for the info with the sorting and also for the info with the “” for adjusting the order from your post in “Automatic version grouping for movies”. Both helped me a lot

[Luke 40096]

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• for films with several versions (Star Wars Episode 4-6) the CinemaVersion was imported first in each case

  only for these versions the nfo file was adjusted, for the versions that were added later, the nfo file is unchanged.

  This means that “SortName” was not set.

OK this is currently just the way that multi-versioning works. Each item has it's own metadata, although this is on our list for review for future updates. Thanks.