Lighthammer 85 Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 I checked the search to make sure this wasnt a discussion topic already. First off, I have a life time Emby license. Jellyfin as a solution to "get around paying" isn't what I am here to ask about. I'm exxxxxxxxxxxxtreme last to the game. I never heard of Jellyfin until it was dropped as a discussion point on Linus Tech Tips talk show on Friday. I'm kind of interested what the general thoughts on Jellyfin are both as a product and what the "politics around here" are about it. Any general thoughts/kneejerk reactions?
Lighthammer 85 Posted January 4, 2023 Author Posted January 4, 2023 Interesting. I'll admit, I threw on my personal PC (not server) just to see what it looked like. There's *IS* one feature that caught my attention and that was the "Watch Party" mode. Outside of that, I didn't even try to stream anything with it.
heciruam 27 Posted January 31, 2023 Posted January 31, 2023 I have it running side by side, but to me it feels like an old version of Emby when I switched over from PLEX in 2017. They added new features quicker than Emby like tonemapping and other things, but it seems to me the only do it to fill the checkbox. Everything feels slower. The clients aren't as polished or don't even exist. I wasn't happy when Emby decided to go close source but so far it wasn't negative for me. I'm a little worried that Jellyfin takes the spotlight now, even from the popular Plex. On the other hand I was surprised how many people mentioned Emby under LTT's latest video, where they barely mentioned it. What do you think? 1
srcrist 1 Posted January 31, 2023 Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/4/2023 at 6:02 PM, Spaceboy said: should entertain you That guy ended up contributing to Jellyfin after that post and now has his own fork of the project: https://github.com/dannymichel/veso 1
seanbuff 1139 Posted January 31, 2023 Posted January 31, 2023 2 hours ago, heciruam said: On the other hand I was surprised how many people mentioned Emby under LTT's latest video, where they barely mentioned it. Our very own @Spaceboy makes a short cameo too! 1
FredrikT 23 Posted January 31, 2023 Posted January 31, 2023 8 hours ago, heciruam said: I have it running side by side, but to me it feels like an old version of Emby when I switched over from PLEX in 2017. They added new features quicker than Emby like tonemapping and other things, but it seems to me the only do it to fill the checkbox. Everything feels slower. The clients aren't as polished or don't even exist. I wasn't happy when Emby decided to go close source but so far it wasn't negative for me. I'm a little worried that Jellyfin takes the spotlight now, even from the popular Plex. On the other hand I was surprised how many people mentioned Emby under LTT's latest video, where they barely mentioned it. What do you think? Yeah, I hope LTT/Linus will try out Emby as well. When he, towards the end, said that he hadn't tried it out cause it costs money.. Duuude! You make millions of YT, you can afford a few bucks. You can even compare the free Emby to Premiere. 1
Spaceboy 2565 Posted January 31, 2023 Posted January 31, 2023 10 hours ago, seanbuff said: Our very own @Spaceboy makes a short cameo too! eh?
Spaceboy 2565 Posted January 31, 2023 Posted January 31, 2023 so i assume they saw the lack of trial with emby a negative 1
arrbee99 1712 Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 Another day, another article mentioning Jellyfin and Plex, and only Jellyfin and Plex- https://www.pcmag.com/opinions/buy-or-bootleg-save-your-favorite-streaming-media-by-any-means-necessary Maybe its time to introduce something new and innovative, like say the best Live TV implementation, or maybe just catch up, like a standalone music player, or that Watch Together thing... 2 1
StewieGreen 159 Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 a winamp inspired standalone music player would be epic. 1
arrbee99 1712 Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 An anything inspired standalone player would be epic. 1 1
Spaceboy 2565 Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 10 hours ago, arrbee99 said: Another day, another article mentioning Jellyfin and Plex, and only Jellyfin and Plex- https://www.pcmag.com/opinions/buy-or-bootleg-save-your-favorite-streaming-media-by-any-means-necessary Maybe its time to introduce something new and innovative, like say the best Live TV implementation, or maybe just catch up, like a standalone music player, or that Watch Together thing... this is true. it seems like there has been a lot of work by the emby team on the plumbing in the last couple of years but limited, if anything, innovative in terms of user function. i'm not unhappy with emby but i'd struggle to identify one standout feature thats been implemented in that time period that makes a difference to me. for all the stuff thats been done on live tv so far, i still work around it not with it
neik 870 Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Spaceboy said: i'm not unhappy with emby but i'd struggle to identify one standout feature thats been implemented in that time period that makes a difference to me. Exactly, for me it just simply works but what's next? Imo the best feature implemented in the last years is the skip intro which mainly was driven by 3rd party devs and donated to the core. Credit detection is still plugin exclusive and not every app can pick up those markers. They might have stuff in the pipeline but I feel like stuff get stuck there, examples: 1. TVNext 2. Unification of Windows app, afaik the first time I saw this was in 2021 3. Unification of Android app, to be fair development was done but seems somehow stuck right now. ... Just to name a few, I'm sure others could go on. Just my 2cents though... 1
kikinjo 197 Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 Last server beta was 2 months ago...and you ppl are talking here about major new features ? Seems you need to read a bit about how many years is needed for some major new feature in emby.
arrbee99 1712 Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 It does seem to take years. I'm sure TVNext did take years before anyone got to try it (though with softworkz writing it, I'm sure it was much quicker). But since then, as we all know, crickets. Maybe some of those database changes were to help with TVNext, who knows, maybe I should have quick look at that road map... And some things can't be that difficult with the talent Emby has - pretty sure I spotted a filter by decade somewhere in that LTT video, how long has that been on the list.
Cheesegeezer 3102 Posted February 6, 2023 Posted February 6, 2023 So i actually Engaged with Jellyfin. I would like some more freedom with the plugins i write and how the user can interact from the UI. So i popped over to have a chat on the dev channels. and..... Rewind about 5yrs compared to Emby's code..... they are not organised, it's difficult to follow and track things. The infrastructure isn't there. so here i still am. I'm not disloyal to emby... it's good to try to engage in other platforms. I even threw them one of my plugins to see if someone could show me how to to integrate and they kindly took it... converted it and i heard nothing back. So no change there with Robbing code and information and giving nothing. I think that 4.8 Release will pave the way going forward (Emby Admin correct me if i'm wrong). It seems like with the release of the new Dev SDK and the silence of releases that a lot of energy is going into this release... (Possibly a 5.0 release?? completely my opinion and prediction), but i think the infrastruce will be much more solid, which will then paved the way to build features that are a whole lot less likely to break the current fragile state of emby. These are all completely my own opinions and ideas. I think good things are to come from Emby. 1
thornbill 8 Posted February 7, 2023 Posted February 7, 2023 Hey @Cheesegeezer , we had wondered what had happened with you. You just kind of dropped out of chat after being pretty active for a bit. I'm really not sure where you are coming from regarding "robbing" your code. I know you were asking for help getting it ported to support Jellyfin, but I really don't recall anything coming out of that beyond someone taking a brief look at what changes would need to be made. If you could provide some insight, I'm sure we could address the issue. That definitely isn't something we want to promote. Thanks!
Abobader 3336 Posted February 7, 2023 Posted February 7, 2023 Hi @thornbill Totally fine with me to clear any misunderstood matters with @Cheesegeezer publicly here, but if more info regarding any work/plugins for your software, should go directly with him in any channel you two like, but not here. Thanks. 1
KneelBeforeZod 11 Posted June 9 Posted June 9 I'll pitch in here with my perspective as a software developer and lifelong music listener. Back in 2023 I evaluated Emby and Jellyfin (Docker containers) on my TrueNAS SCALE (now CE) server and an ancient Primate NP5 DLNA device. The NP5's DLNA implementation had some issues which didn't seem to affect Jellyfin but the device would not work with Emby. I was able to borrow a different DLNA device so that I could evaluate both Jellyfin and Emby (and briefly, a few others) over the course of a couple of months. At some point during that time I had to return the borrowed DLNA device and so had to use Jellyfin exclusively for a few weeks. What I found in Emby was a well thought out and consistent and reliable media server and with few, if any, rough edges. Jellyfin in contrast really did feel more amateur,, clearly lagging behind in terms of basic reliability and features. I reported the NP5 issue to the Emby dev team and they were fantastic, building in a workaround to that old and now obsolete device. They didn't have to do that. The result is that Emby has been reliably working in my system since then and I use it every day. I immediately bought a lifetime licence in order to support further development and show gratitude. Open or closed source, free or paid does not define the quality of a software product. There are good and terrible examples of all of those. If someone's value system directs them to use open source software exclusively then that is of course okay but that means nothing about software quaity. Ditto if someone prefers paid software instead of free. What it comes down to is the quality of the product, regardless of whether it's free or paid, open or closed source. For me, Emby wins easily. Jellyfin's popularity is baffling; it's mentioned so often by people when Emby is far superior. Seems like ideology instead of objective analysis is dictating decisions and that is never a good thing. 4
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now