Fix audio delay

[generiq 245]

1 minute ago, softworkz said:

That's possible. But maybe rather on the driver. As said, I want to fully understand the situation and there's still a lot to learn. That's why I want to buy a bunch of gear.

If you can find a 'fix' for Theater, that would be great 

[nospotify 138]

On 9/26/2024 at 5:05 PM, softworkz said:

That's possible. But maybe rather on the driver. As said, I want to fully understand the situation and there's still a lot to learn. That's why I want to buy a bunch of gear.

With all due respect and genuine admiration for Emby, which I pay for premier, I don't think your approach or mindset here makes sense. There are myriad reasons for why audio and video are not synced for many Emby users. The reasons don't matter, because we aren't going to identify or solve them all, and Emby devs have waaaay better ways to spend your time than helping individual users with their device-specific issues. The functionality to delay audio or delay video (which is what we're actually talking about in many of these situations) is straightforward. It is available in many other streaming/player systems. It can be used for all kinds of different reasons. We just want this basic functionality in Emby.

[softworkz 4467]

1 hour ago, wordlover said:

With all due respect and genuine admiration for Emby, which I pay for premier, I don't think your approach or mindset here makes sense. There are myriad reasons for why audio and video are not synced for many Emby users. The reasons don't matter, because we aren't going to identify or solve them all, and Emby devs have waaaay better ways to spend your time than helping individual users with their device-specific issues. The functionality to delay audio or delay video (which is what we're actually talking about in many of these situations) is straightforward. It is available in many other streaming/player systems. It can be used for all kinds of different reasons. We just want this basic functionality in Emby.

I think I have laid out pretty clearly that we are talking about two different things. I respect that feature request and I don't disagree that it makes sense to have such feature.
But I'm not the right address for that at the moment. 

When you say that "the reasons don't matter", I just cannot agree. Let's look at an example:

Reasons for why users are experiencing video/audio delay

• X% have faulty hardware
• X% have hardware which needs to be set into the right mode
• X% are experiencing delay due to audio enhancements which are on by default (or by accidence)
• X% are seeing delay because we might not be setting up all parameters correctly in our application
• X% have delay for yet undiscovered reason #1
• X% have delay for yet undiscovered reason #2
• X% have delay because there source media is incorrectly authored

Now - all cases excepting the first one and the last one can be resolved (unknown for the unknown cases of course).

What you are essentially saying here, is that we should stop fixing the audio delay for cases 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. And all those users who are affected by 2-6, should rather painstakingly fix their audio delay by manual adjustment, even though it could be fixed in a way that they'd never have to do it.

THAT is a mindset that doesn't make sense IMO.

[Gryzor 16]

That would be the case for a separate thread (despite the erroneous title, even OP is about allowing manual sync). Sure, making the app better in order to not need manual adjustment would be cool. But this is a feature request for allowing the user to sync audio, which is a very simple and widespread consideration. Just do that (should be available since years ago) and then, sure, try to understand what fails and try to fix that.

[softworkz 4467]

4 minutes ago, Gryzor said:

But this is a feature request for allowing the user to sync audio, which is a very simple and widespread consideration.

This is not a feature request. This is the forum for the Emby Windows app.
What @wordloverhas submitted is an actual feature request. I had thought about splitting the conversation but I concluded that it would get too messy as it cannot be clearly separated.

It's just two different things (even though related). Both are valid and it's just right now that I'm working on this other part.. 

[Gryzor 16]

Even if one just skipped the OP, the second post reiterates: 

 

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My post is not about fixing bug in Emby Theatre, but about feature to be able to adjust audio sync during playback when it is necessary.

 

[softworkz 4467]

6 minutes ago, Gryzor said:

Even if one just skipped the OP, the second post reiterates: 

Yes, but the whole conversation continues very broadly on this subject and with a variety of intentions and use cases, that's why it appreared to be a good way to reach out to all those who have been struggling with audio delay for one or the other reason. 

You also need to consider that a certain share of those who are asking for an adjustment feature would prefer a solution where they don't need to adjust anything at all. They just think that would be the only way.

Edited September 28, 2024 by softworkz

[Gryzor 16]

Then maybe split the thread to keep it clean. Most of the getting off topic is caused by your quest to find the culprit. And since there's probably no easy universal fix, for the time being this is a waste of time for those who are asking for a simple one.

[softworkz 4467]

11 minutes ago, Gryzor said:

And since there's probably no easy universal fix, for the time being this is a waste of time for those who are asking for a simple one.

The primary wasting of time is happening when the same things are repeated over and over again.

When I subtract that part, then my "quest" has been quite fruitful so far. We found out that

• Some Bluetooth devices can be switched into different modes and for those it is required to choose the right mode to get pefect lipsync audio
  => knowing that means that those users don't need to fiddle around with manual delay adjustments
• Audio delay can be caused by activated audio enhancements in the Windows audio settings
  => In the Emby app, we might not be able to change that system configuration, but we can detect it and show a warning that users should disable it
  => again, taking the pain from users doing a manual adjustment

So, on that side, it absolutely wasn't a waste of time. On the other side - yes.

Edited September 28, 2024 by softworkz

[Gryzor 16]

Sure, let's take over a thread to pursue my own point, repeating and going on and on about another issue than the one at hand and then claim it to be fruitful. . Oh and in the meantime accuse those who stay on topic

[softworkz 4467]

3 minutes ago, Gryzor said:

Sure, let's take over a thread to pursue my own point, repeating and going on and on about another issue than the one at hand and then claim it to be fruitful. . Oh and in the meantime accuse those who stay on topic

You would be right if it would have been a classic thread hijack. 

But that's not what it is. When my actions are leading to a final resolution of the problems that half of the people were deailing with when they came here, and even in a better way than they expected (without manual adjustment), then I think it's more than justified. 
(replace "half" with any percentage you like. it makes no change)

[Gryzor 16]

Again, look up "universal and hard" vs "easy and actually responding to the feature request".

 

Jeez we're going in circles, I'm giving up.

[softworkz 4467]

You are just wasting your energy because your posts here don't make a change to anything. A much more productive way would  be to promote the actual feature request (https://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/132173-audio-delay-adjustment/).
Look around and find interested people and call them to vote on that FR.

There's nothing to win from arguing with me because I'm not in charge for making any decisions about it.