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Are you saying that Emby is dropping support for NextPVR as in integrated plugin and users will have to suffer with the problems of using the m3u interface to NextPVR?  If so I certainly don't want to waste my time.

 

I probably am misreading since you probably mean the NextPVR API is changing which is obviously the change that I am planning to make.

 

Martin

No, Next PVR is dropping one of the APIs from my understanding.  They had 2 different ways to communicate with NPVR and the Emby Plugin was the only software using this one method.  This method isn't going to be in V5.  So from my understanding the Emby plugin needs re-writing to support V5 of NPVR.

 

That is a good example of how NOT to set this integration up since it makes no sense from any logical viewpoint.

 

Martin

Not sure I'd agree with that or not.  If you want to use the great EPG data built into Emby then this is the way to go.  Of course some other hassles come with it as well.  Also channel changes are faster with the M3U approach vs going through the plugin (extra layer).  Emby is already slow changing channels compared to every other software I've ever used so anything to help it work faster is a good thing.

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No, Next PVR is dropping one of the APIs from my understanding.  They had 2 different ways to communicate with NPVR and the Emby Plugin was the only software using this one method.  This method isn't going to be in V5.  So from my understanding the Emby plugin needs re-writing to support V5 of NPVR.

 

Not sure I'd agree with that or not.  If you want to use the great EPG data built into Emby then this is the way to go.  Of course some other hassles come with it as well.  Also channel changes are faster with the M3U approach vs going through the plugin (extra layer).  Emby is already slow changing channels compared to every other software I've ever used so anything to help it work faster is a good thing.

 

I am well aware that sub is dropping UJB's API, I have to rewrite some other things and I was going to use this knowledge to update the Emby plugin

 

It is true the Emby plugin doesn't get access to all the Schedules Direct data from NextPVR but most of it is there for the taking and I was planning on providing as much of it as I can.

 

The m3u approach put recordings at risk and causes problems for people who might also want to use Kodi.  If Emby tuning is faster using the imported m3u url that is a design flaw in Emby since the plugin basically returns the same stream url.

 

Martin

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User @@cayars tells me that m3u streaming live tv and recording is working just fine in all the troublesome use cases, which is different from my experience a few years ago.  I am assuming there has been a significant change in how Emby handles the http streams from NextPVR so based on this new information there is no compelling reason for me to upgrade the addon.

 

Martin

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dcol

The reason to upgrade is NPVR will eventually not be compatible with Emby because of the API changes.

Yes, works fine for now. But how much longer is the question.

As soon as Emby gets around to implementing the beta stream fixes in the stable release, I will start migrating away from the NPVR plugin. But who knows when that will happen? Also I will continue to use NPVR as a backup recorder.

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The reason to upgrade is NPVR will eventually not be compatible with Emby because of the API changes.

Yes, works fine for now. But how much longer is the question.

As soon as Emby gets around to implementing the beta stream fixes in the stable release, I will start migrating away from the NPVR plugin. But who knows when that will happen? Also I will continue to use NPVR as a backup recorder.

 

No cayars with saying the m3u interface and not the plugin is working without any of the issues .  I understand the plugin interface will fail but that doesn't explain why the plugin is still required if all the weaknesses I have identified previously have been fixed by Emby. 

 

There is no motivation for me to work on updating the plugin as a temporary solution people will stop using  when Emby is updated.  After all Luke has been recommending the m3u approach for a while, and if it is ready great!   A better temporary solution is simply stay on NextPVR v4 until Emby is ready.  v5 is certainly just pre-alpha now anyway.

 

Martin

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dcol

Sorry, never used direct m3u's from NPVR. Only used the plugin. I don't see the point in just direct m3u's since you don't get all the other data that you do when using the plugin.

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SHSPVR

Sorry, never used direct m3u's from NPVR. Only used the plugin. I don't see the point in just direct m3u's since you don't get all the other data that you do when using the plugin.

 

And what data would that be ?.

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the schedule and guide data

 

That not ture you used the Emby Giude Data

See here https://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/69226-recording-episode-or-series-in-specific-nextpvr-folder/?p=721328

This mine and other are in the other link and just using NPVR as back end tuner server where Emby it self take of everything else

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I had at some logs from @@SHSPVR and right now I don't see any reason to upgrade the NextPVR plugin unless you want to use Kodi to (or NextPVR's client) watch NextPVR which really needs NextPVR to have more control of the tuners and recordings. 

 

Martin

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Far as I know NextPVR is still the only solution that works for multiplexing, or whatever its called, where you watch several channels from the same transponder. I think I've done that via m3u NextPVR streams as well. If everyone find that reliable then OK.

 

Also the plugin provides a perfectly good guide that I can and do use with info and pictures that I use in Emby in NZ. What would happen to that. I see no Emby provided NZ Gracenote guide. Admittedly I can use a guide which has been provided via xml which is fine but thats (kindly) produced by one guy and might disappear at any time.

 

So I hope you'll be able to update the plugin for v5 if not now then when v5 gets closer to maybe beta status.

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dcol

Like what ?.

Without the plugin you do not see what you have scheduled within NPVR recording in Emby unless I am missing something.

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I had at some logs from @@SHSPVR and right now I don't see any reason to upgrade the NextPVR plugin unless you want to use Kodi to (or NextPVR's client) watch NextPVR which really needs NextPVR to have more control of the tuners and recordings. 

 

Martin

 

Wrong

Let see for starter with NPVR unless your force EPG update every 6 hour you may not get cover art photo in Guide or in LiveTV and Blank one in Series

Some time the Channel logo don't display right in every app there black

You can't Modify the Series Recoding a basic features that even NPVR it self doesn't have

 

M3U way

You don't need force EPG update every 6 hour as you get cover art photo in Guide or in LiveTV and Series

You channel Logo every where in every app

You can Modify the Series Schedule

 

The EPG data it self is the same there no different in the information I check both of them side by side

 

At end of day I found that M3U to be more stable solution as it is not my preferred method but in tell Luke can fully integrate a direct tuner solution for scanning DVB and ATSC with a full channel manager in Emby for adding and removing rescan for new channel etc, etc the right way with using backend app like there NPVR, WinTV and many other you mileage my very in my book that why SageTV it still top dog in this area in fact I still have running after 15+ years but it a bit behind the time even know it open source now but it lacks good Mobile support and it UI is a bit outdated.

But as you know more and more people are switching online LiveTV Streaming or Video Streaming

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Without the plugin you do not see what you have scheduled within NPVR recording in Emby unless I am missing something.

 

That ture then let me ask you this then why are you using Emby ?.

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dcol

That ture then let me ask you this then why are using Emby ?.

Because NPVR is not a media center and schedules direct, which I need in NPVR, is not free.

Emby organizes the media nicely along with LiveTV, movies, and music. NPVR doesn't do that.

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emveepee

Emby users have to ask themselves why they need to use NextPVR for scheduling, recording or for XMLTV importing and communicate what is lacking to the Emby dev's.  It seems like you are using the interface to correct for basic deficiencies in Emby and not just as a dumb tuner.

 

Certainly as the v5 development cycle continues if you identify problems that Emby can't fix and won't run using the m3u interface then I will take some time to do the coding.

 

Martin

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Let see for starter with NPVR unless your force EPG update every 6 hour you may not get cover art photo in Guide or in LiveTV and Blank one in Series

Some time the Channel logo don't display in every app or there black

You can't Modify the Series Recoding a basic features that even NPVR it self doesn't have

 

I'm not sure what you're talking about with cover art or channel logos. There is no known issues around either of these. You do need to make sure Emby refreshes it's guide after NextPVR does though.

 

You can modify most things about series recordings, like directory, number of shows to keep, padding etc. It just doesn't let you change the type of a recording (for example, one-off to series recording). This is pretty minor and doesn't seem to bother most people, just deleted it and recreate. That said, I'll change this in NextPVR v5 so you can.

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I'm not sure what you're talking about with cover art or channel logos. There is no known issues around either of these. You do need to make sure Emby refreshes it's guide after NextPVR does though.

 

You can modify most things about series recordings, like directory, number of shows to keep, padding etc. It just doesn't let you change the type of a recording (for example, one-off to series recording). This is pretty minor and doesn't seem to bother most people, just deleted it and recreate. That said, I'll change this in NextPVR v5 so you can.

 

Do need point this out https://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/58374-live-tv-images/ and there other like it.

I had Emby refreshes it's guide 30 min after NextPVR did it thing and that was still no go not matter I how I did it.

Used Emby Theater and see what mean by the channel logo I wish I had keep screenshot or I show it to you.

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Do point need this out https://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/58374-live-tv-images/ and there other like it.

I had Emby refreshes it's guide 30 min after NextPVR did it thing and that was still no go not matter I how I did it.

Used Emby Theater and see what mean by the channel logo I wish I had keep screenshot or I show it you.

 

That is thread is just a case of Emby having stale data. It just needed to be set to refresh it's guide soon after NextPVR updated it's guide. (be ideal if there was some URL we could call or something, to tell Emby to refresh it's guide).

 

If it didn't work for you, I'm sure it's just something you did wrong. The only cases we've seen of Emby not getting artwork is when it's asking for old show ids that no longer exists. (ie, stale data)

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dcol

Emby users have to ask themselves why they need to use NextPVR for scheduling, recording or for XMLTV importing and communicate what is lacking to the Emby dev's.  It seems like you are using the interface to correct for basic deficiencies in Emby and not just as a dumb tuner.

 

Certainly as the v5 development cycle continues if you identify problems that Emby can't fix and won't run using the m3u interface then I will take some time to do the coding.

 

Martin

I need to use NPVR until Emby fixes the IPTV streaming issues in the stable release, which is mostly fixed in the beta version. When the beta goes stable, then I will do away with the NPVR plugin.

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The real issue here for me is what happens first. Does Emby implement the beta streaming fixes in the stable release before the NPVR plugin is not usable anymore?

Until the stable release has the fixes, I need to use the NPVR plugin. I am hoping Emby implements the fixes before the NPVR plugin becomes incompatible.

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emveepee

The real issue here for me is what happens first. Does Emby implement the beta streaming fixes in the stable release before the NPVR plugin is not usable anymore?

Until the stable release has the fixes, I need to use the NPVR plugin. I am hoping Emby implements the fixes before the NPVR plugin becomes incompatible.

When do you seriously think the v4 of NextPVR will stop working for you assuming you aren't using IPTV via NextPVR which seems to require daily updates and sub decides to abandon v4

 

Martin

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dcol

Not sure. Could be end of year before Emby updates. Past experience says 'don't hold your breath'

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