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Damn, I'm glad I ditched Plex! When I left the forums the ninjas were trying to convince everyone that the focus was still on OUR media. Well, it's becoming less and less obvious that is the case.

EDIT: Sorry for the mini vent coming up but it felt good to type and blow off some steam. So frustrating... LOL

 

Not this former Ninja. :)  I was always pretty outspoken as to what I like/don't like and where problems lie.  Same here but there isn't much not to like or pick apart as it's pretty solid and well thought out. :)

 

I was getting really upset with "bonehead" designs being incorporated into the product (can't delegate recording to others, can't share network tuners with other apps, can't allow Live TV access for people not part of "home") that were done ON PURPOSE. Lack of testing/fixing that allows "TITLE" of EPG to be the file name so the 4pm "NFL GAME" overwrites the 1pm game and the 8:20 game overwrites the 4pm game.  That was fixed pretty quickly as it only took 10 months to diagnose/troubleshoot and mostly fix.  Turns out it was designed that way on purpose as well because the main dev like to have his "news" overwrite the previous version so he only had 1 file with the current news (of the same title).  It was like pulling your own teeth trying to get him to understand how bad this was for sports (and other shows).  Clearly a person put in charge of something that had never researched or really used advanced features of a PVR/DVR before.

 

Forcing PMP2 style UI on new platforms when the users didn't like it.  The Ninjas and Employees didn't like it either in early testing.  I/we pointed out all the short comings from day one in private with the team.  All but 2 Ninjas fully agreed. But the "type first" menu system was what they needed/wanted for upcoming content they had in mind.  It surely didn't add much for the "local" experience (wrecked it) so you don't have to be a rocket scientist to ask why did they keep pushing it so hard?

 

The decision to pull plugins over a year ago (yep) and to replace that with Internet based content they control didn't sit well with me either. Nearly ever Ninja disliked it as they were the main plugin devs. Nothing wrong with new internet based additional content but they won't even allow you to turn it off for each person in the admin console, because they aren't "your users".  Plex always/does feel that anyone running client software is THERE customer, not your user.

 

They have clearly (to everyone using the software) been focusing on a lot of things NOT "core" which is why people run the servers (for LOCAL MEDIA) in the first place!  Maybe 1 in 5 things seems to still be "local" oriented these days.  Well much higher if you count removing "core" features. :(

 

Cloud Server was just an utter joke.  Works, breaks, works, breaks.  You never knew if your files would play or your server would be up.  If you had a big library you could actually exhaust your Google Drive transfer rate each day just from the background processes.  Here's a good one.  I had most of my media duplicated in the cloud on Google at the time which made it easy.  I started on day one BEFORE it was released to the public and my library on the last day when it was pulled/closed  had still not fully indexed!!!  It was only about 3/4 done.    Total waste of dev time because they tried to spin up normal Plex servers with minimal mods instead of rewriting parts that they should have like pulling a file once so you can create bif files, index, probe, deep analysis, etc

 

They broke Cloud Sync and instead of fixing it, removed it.  Their "Optimize" is highly broken now, because it doesn't work correctly with "streaming brain".  Streaming brain looks at total media bitrate (video, audio, subs, etc) while Optimize only worried about video size.  Hence all the local optimizations or cloud synced optimizations didn't work with streaming brain as the overall bitrate of the produced files exceeded streaming brain limits..  Doh  The only client that usually got things correct was the Roku client because the main dev had long before created his own version of "streaming brain" and similar logic that actually worked correctly so he never really used the server version until the new UI release.

 

I of course got kicked form the Ninja program (and some others recently) for being o positional when we were pointing out these inconsistencies and problems with the designs and change of focus.  Left hand doesn't know Right hand exists, let alone what it's doing syndrome. "How can you be a team player when you don't believe in the team?"  Good question.

 

Yes @cayars did call him out on it in the forums as he was being coy answering questions. :)  He wasn't clear in intention and acting like it was the first time they were hearing these comments/complaints from users about how bad the new UI was. I of course knew all the back channel stuff on this from day one and got into long, long (hours) discussions with him and the teams in chat on everything you see/read from users in the forums.  I had pointed it all out before anyone other than a Ninja ever saw it (the UI).  None of the complaints were new and they were getting this feedback during development from me and other Ninjas.

 

A good test of your own software, is how much you use it yourself.  When employees & Ninjas use Kodi, Infuse, PMP1, early APKs (side loaded)  vs their own new clients, that should be a red flag in itself but never was/is that I know of.

 

Plex is clearly moving in another direction besides just local media. They could do it pretty smoothly by not fighting the admins but they have their own way of doing things unfortunately.  I'm a big fan of external content (even with ads) if it enhances the local media experience and the admin is in control of the use of the content for each user.  I'd love to see Pluto TV, Tubi TV or similar added to Emby if they could get a cut of the ad space.  Content is good if control is there!

 

How awesome would it be to start a server and have 300+ channels to choose from (Pluto) for "Live TV" without ever adding or buying a tuner (just like it works in Android TV LiveChannels)?  You may only want to use 10 of them but still that's "free" content.  How awesome would it be to click a few buttons and have Tubi TVs Movies and TV Shows as separate libraries on your server?  They key is in the integration and admin control and not just adding it on top with no control to try and collect ad $.  One is an enhancement and one is an intrusion and this is what Plex doesn't understand yet.

 

EDIT: Mods feel free to remove this message if you want.  Nothing really new here that hasn't been posted over at Plex but it fits the title & thread so...

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Ha, after reading this: https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/07/plex-plans-to-offer-ad-supported-movies-and-more-premium-subscriptions/ .......... I can see it now.

 

In the not to distant future, you decide to watch a movie on your Plex server (from your own library) and before it starts, you get slapped with an ad.

 

Or, a friend searches your library for a movie and the mighty Plex Media Portal presents them 20 services where your friend can PURCHASE/RENT the movie and buried allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the way at the bottom, is a link to the movie on your Plex server that your friend can enjoy for free. In a very small font.

 

LOL! These media companies, if they make deals with Plex, will not want end users to be given the option to watch a movie from a friends media server for free. Especially a movie that one of these media companies own. As Plex is forced to turn a profit from their Vulture Capitalist investment firm, they'll be forced to severely restrict, or straight up eliminate, peoples ability to serve up and stream their private files.

 

Plex Inc: Hi HBO, we'd like to make a deal with you so you can sell your movies through our awesome media portal.

 

HBO: Well, after munging through the meta data you provided, we see that people are PROBABLY streaming Game of Thrones for free from their friends server. If you want us to sell content through you, you need to remove the ability for server admins to have a streaming library or block them from streaming their own content to their friends but they can still stream locally within their own network.

 

Plex Inc: No problamo, already working on it! We're pushing out some God awful user interfaces and leaving major bugs all over the place. Our goal is to drive server admins away so all those Plex client installs will come to US for content. And by 'us', I mean all you big media companies!

 

HBO: Hmmm, why would people keep Plex clients installed if you piss server admins off?

 

Plex Inc: Because end users are stupid?

 

HBO: Hmmmm, why would end users use the Plex client for HBO shows when they can just grab the HBO app?

 

Plex Inc: .............profit....... er wait a minute, what?

 

HBO: Eh, kill off media sharing and I guess we can partner up with you?! But we want hardcore DRM throughout and ads. Lots of ads.

 

Plex Inc: Cowboy up!

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Funny,

 

Plex won't put ads in front or back of your media.  It would only be inside media that is free streamed from THEIR servers.  Elan has already made that public.

 

Here is what I wonder about.  They have already publicly commented they are adding DRM to their clients.  Is this DRM going to be ALWAYS ON or only used selectively when connected to 3rd party content that requires it and not Plex servers (our servers).

 

If it's always on then there is going to be massive outcry in their forums.  Anyone with ripped movies files using some watermark formats such as Cinavia will stop dead without playing.  Same thing happens when some blu ray players are used as clients.

 

Anyone want to wager on that outcome? :)

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BTW, I called this long ago that plex was going to monetize their platform to become like netflix.

 

https://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/50380-device-limitation-premiere/?p=486603

 

Here is the second paragraph of my post: 

 

Posted 11 September 2017 - 10:00 PM

 

I agree the attitude is somewhat of a money grab. Just buy a bigger device pool they say. Rent yourself some more device space for a month. It does look like a pure money grab. Hopefully some of that money goes into addressing long standing complaints instead of just going to golden toothbrushes, gold-flake toilet paper, diamond chandeliers, dom perignon bubble baths and all the other perks running emby must afford the developers. Sounds good right? Sitting on stacks of hundred dollar bills users drop onto your chair. So nice it must feel. But I doubt emby is feeling this "good life". This would be more the lifestyles of the plex developers, since they make 5000x what emby does. Plex even has angel investor guys buying shares, so you can bet plex wishes they could monetize their platform as a legitimate distributor, like netflix, and then get that IPO gold. See how they are buying up content producers, and buying access to stream copyrights for distribution? Its an agenda for them. So before you go blaming the little guy, at least point the finger at the bigger guy for making this behavior acceptable. Emby cant allow you to be a pirate and do the kodi shuffle on thousands of devices, because then emby is put in the same position kodi is. The device limit is obviously to cure this symptom before it can become an epidemic. You pay, you play.

 

This is why they no longer maintain their forum. It is pretty much left as fodder except for the rare instances where they try to "stem the flow". As in cover a huge wound with merely a band aid. It doesn't stop the bleeding. 

In the 6 years+ I've used Emby there have been good times and bad times. Lately there is nothing but good times. In the beginning, there was some mean spirits and hurt feelings. RedShirt, Tikuf, Gcw07.. lots will go.. who? To those who remember them, those were the bad times. It doesn't feel that way to me any longer even being sort of on the inside. You still see the forest for the trees. Your media, your way. That core belief has always been the roadmap. I admire that. That is why I am here. :)

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Plex Inc: Hi HBO, we'd like to make a deal with you so you can sell your movies through our awesome media portal.

 

HBO: Well, after munging through the meta data you provided, we see that people are PROBABLY streaming Game of Thrones for free from their friends server. If you want us to sell content through you, you need to remove the ability for server admins to have a streaming library or block them from streaming their own content to their friends but they can still stream locally within their own network.

 

Plex Inc: No problamo, already working on it! We're pushing out some God awful user interfaces and leaving major bugs all over the place. Our goal is to drive server admins away so all those Plex client installs will come to US for content. And by 'us', I mean all you big media companies!

 

HBO: Hmmm, why would people keep Plex clients installed if you piss server admins off?

 

Plex Inc: Because end users are stupid?

 

HBO: Hmmmm, why would end users use the Plex client for HBO shows when they can just grab the HBO app?

 

Plex Inc: .............profit....... er wait a minute, what?

 

HBO: Eh, kill off media sharing and I guess we can partner up with you?! But we want hardcore DRM throughout and ads. Lots of ads.

 

Plex Inc: Cowboy up!

 

Finished my popcorn while reading the Plex forum about Plex alternatives with over 300 posts. It was a fun time, nothing greater when a Plex co-founder has to explain and defend the Tech Crunch article. Also glad to be back in a forum where sanity rules.

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@@One2Go

 

I read through the same post, it was crazy. Elan made himself, tech crunch and the Plex CEO look incompetent. I couldn't believe it.

 

Needless to say, it was a fun read.

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Finished my popcorn while reading the Plex forum about Plex alternatives with over 300 posts. It was a fun time, nothing greater when a Plex co-founder has to explain and defend the Tech Crunch article. Also glad to be back in a forum where sanity rules.

I’m surprised they didn’t lock that thread yet. Someone created a new post about the article and they locked in less then 24 hours.

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I'm so glad I jumped ship when they changed their privacy policy.  Plex has well and truly lost its way :(

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@@adrianwi I'm a privacy policy refugee also lol.

 

I can see what people mean about Elan cherry picking responses, holy crap! I'm intrigued to see how bad this Roku app is but I'm not gonna sign up for Plex again just to see it.

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@@adrianwi I'm a privacy policy refugee also lol.

 

I can see what people mean about Elan cherry picking responses, holy crap! I'm intrigued to see how bad this Roku app is but I'm not gonna sign up for Plex again just to see it.

 

I actually pretty much like the new Plex Roku app. It is NOT the reason that I am now using Emby for 97-98% of my media consumption.

 

The primary reason I am now with Emby is speed in almost all aspects of using Emby vs Plex. At about the same time they were introducing the Roku app Plex reached some level of critical mass with all the useless fluff like Tidal, podcasts, news and other crap addons that seem to serve nothing but to slow down Plex while adding nothing for most users.

 

Plex is now at least three time shower than Emby in most function and some are even slower than that.

 

Emby usually starts actually playing a video file within 4-6 seconds while the same action for Plex can often be longer than 20-25 seconds and often the difference is even greater.

 

Plex is like having a basset hound when what you want is a doberman.

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I actually pretty much like the new Plex Roku app. It is NOT the reason that I am now using Emby for 97-98% of my media consumption.

 

The primary reason I am now with Emby is speed in almost all aspects of using Emby vs Plex. At about the same time they were introducing the Roku app Plex reached some level of critical mass with all the useless fluff like Tidal, podcasts, news and other crap addons that seem to serve nothing but to slow down Plex while adding nothing for most users.

 

Plex is now at least three time shower than Emby in most function and some are even slower than that.

 

Emby usually starts actually playing a video file within 4-6 seconds while the same action for Plex can often be longer than 20-25 seconds and often the difference is even greater.

 

Plex is like having a basset hound when what you want is a doberman.

 

I agree completely. Those are the same reasons I switched. That and reading through the forums really opened my eyes as to the company philosophy, and I couldn't in good conscience support such a product.

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So, so, so glad I went with Emby before ever thinking of Plex.

 

Seems like I made the right decision.

 

Luke and Team, don't ever do this. 

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I too am a convert from Plex to Emby; about over a month or so ago.  Mainly because the latest update to Plex was that the server was deciding whether my configuration could play my pre-encoded movies or not; deciding that it could not and then decode them all down to DVD quality.  So for every movie, I had to force directplay.

When this occurred, I began researching alternatives for my PI3b+, found Emby, found DietPI and haven't looked back.  Was very impressed by how quickly responses to issues were answered and resolved within the Emby forums; with direct answers from the admins and developers of Emby.  As others have noted, you'd have an issue with Plex, look in their forums and see old postings which were months old from people with the same issues, not being resolved and not having anyone which deals with Plex answering questions to the issues.

I ended up purchasing a Premiere key mainly to support Emby and its developers, even though I don't use all the features which come with having the Premiere.

Thank you to the Emby team..

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This is what is not CLEAR to you. I’ll try and explain it on a very simple basis which I’m sure you will STILL disagree with and THIS is the heart of the matter and what determines the way you design/program.

 

These “users” aren’t YOUR users. These are MY/OUR users.

 

This is the fundamental difference and why some of their users feel alienated (myself included). The server owner is the customer and that's where the focus should be. It's taken a good year of me for to accept that the product I absolutely loved is going to continue to steer away from what originally drew me to it. I still feel a little weird being here but am very grateful that Emby has picked up where Plex veered off course. 

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This is the fundamental difference and why some of their users feel alienated (myself included). The server owner is the customer and that's where the focus should be. It's taken a good year of me for to accept that the product I absolutely loved is going to continue to steer away from what originally drew me to it. I still feel a little weird being here but am very grateful that Emby has picked up where Plex veered off course. 

@@cayars made another point in the Plex forum thread which had the lengthy discussion on whose users they are and it is this. The users at the admin's server have never requested any emails from Plex. When they started to receive emails from Plex they received Unsolicited Commercial Emails (UCEs) which I am sure Plex covered their ass somewhere in their fine print. Emby on the other hand doesn't care who connects to the admin's server and will never spam the inbox of those users with UCEs.

 

Finally you have to come to terms with the Plex's transformation, if it looks like a turd, smells like a turd and has the distinct format of a turd, then only one conclusion it is a turd. No one in their sane mind would pick up and hug a turd, you burn the implement used to get rid of the turd.

 

Welcome to Emby the more then better Plex+ :P

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Hey thanks. @@cayars has made a lot of excellent points; much to the chagrin of plex co. It’s hard to argue well articulated facts.

 

The thing I’ve found interesting is their approach that we’re discussing here, our users VS plex’s users. I don’t fault anyone for trying to make a good living. I also understand that for someone like me, that paid $75 for a lifetime pass 5+ years probably isn’t real profitable. But they’ve never tried to really find a way to monetize me further. Before going after the people we share with, ad supported content etc id think they’d want to develop features/services for the server owners. The ones already deeply invested in it’s use.

 

Maybe I’m looking at too naively but the current approach is obviously turning long time users away and it’s hard to see that being sustainable either.

 

All that said, I’m very happy to be here. It’s definitely a change for the positive.

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Hey thanks. @@cayars has made a lot of excellent points; much to the chagrin of plex co. It’s hard to argue well articulated facts.

 

The thing I’ve found interesting is their approach that we’re discussing here, our users VS plex’s users. I don’t fault anyone for trying to make a good living. I also understand that for someone like me, that paid $75 for a lifetime pass 5+ years probably isn’t real profitable. But they’ve never tried to really find a way to monetize me further. Before going after the people we share with, ad supported content etc id think they’d want to develop features/services for the server owners. The ones already deeply invested in it’s use.

 

Maybe I’m looking at too naively but the current approach is obviously turning long time users away and it’s hard to see that being sustainable either.

 

All that said, I’m very happy to be here. It’s definitely a change for the positive.

 

I have switched almost everything from Plex to Emby. I do NOT agree with everything Emby has done in their apps BUT the really huge difference is that it is quite clear that Emby will listen and debate while Plex, if they listen at all, does not debate at all but rather just makes flat statements and then state that there will never be any change. That is Plex agrees with their users provided their users agree with them.

 

The only reaction I have seen that is at all related to users desires was/is the reaction to their "new" Roku interface. That reaction was to reissue the "old" app and state that they would rewrite the "new" one to better fit what the users want.

 

I think there were only about five or six of us that actually liked their new app.

 

Emby, on the other hand, has really listened to those of us running the beta Roku app and made several changes in direct response to user feedback. Emby even made a cosmetic change to their web interface involving the "Identify" functionality within a couple of hours of the suggestion being made.

 

I have made many suggestions for changes in Emby and every single one was answered by Emby. Of course requests to Emby are like prayers, they are always answered but, sometimes, the answer is no.

 

I had also made many many suggestions to Plex in the past and Plex only responded to a very very few and their answer was always no.

 

This basic difference is why I am now almost totally with Emby and why I have switched many of the people I know over to Emby. Plex is almost completely no longer relevant to my media usage.

 

I just wish Emby would implement everything I want because it is clear that the way I want to view and access my media is the only "right" way. ;):PB):rolleyes:

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I began running a HTPC in late 2014. At that time I only knew of Plex. I installed it and INSTANTLY was turned off by the nickel and dime'ing. A quick Google search for Plex alternative directed me to Emby. I've been a very happy premier user ever since!

 

The past year or so I changed to a monthly subscription because I believe in Emby that much that I want Luke, ebr, and all the other devs I don't know their names to have enough capital to continue to bring us better, smoother, faster, feature-rich server software and clients.

 

@@Luke must never sleep. He's probably an AI with six arms and three heads. The guy is always on the forums answering questions, solving problems, listening to comments, suggestions, complaints - and he never (rarely?) shows any anger or emotion over the keyboard. He's a true professional and I have no doubts Emby is his passion. @@ebr is also as collected as he.

 

If you are a developer of the Emby server or its numerous clients or other back-end and your name doesn't get mentioned, know this; Thank you for all your hard work, we really appreciate it and we are thankful you allow us to supply our own local content the way we want to consume it.

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@@Luke must never sleep. He's probably an AI with six arms and three heads. The guy is always on the forums answering questions, solving problems, listening to comments, suggestions, complaints - and he never (rarely?) shows any anger or emotion over the keyboard. He's a true professional and I have no doubts Emby is his passion. @@ebr is also as collected as he.

 

If you are a developer of the Emby server or its numerous clients or other back-end and your name doesn't get mentioned, know this; Thank you for all your hard work, we really appreciate it and we are thankful you allow us to supply our own local content the way we want to consume it.

 

Totally this ^^

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@@cayars made another point in the Plex forum thread which had the lengthy discussion on whose users they are and it is this. The users at the admin's server have never requested any emails from Plex. When they started to receive emails from Plex they received Unsolicited Commercial Emails (UCEs) which I am sure Plex covered their ass somewhere in their fine print. Emby on the other hand doesn't care who connects to the admin's server and will never spam the inbox of those users with UCEs.

They were the same conversations I and other Ninjas had had with them in private as well. They just have a clearly different view of what a "user is" and their philosophy on their new content model clearly shows this.  Server admin's can't control this content in any shape or form.  No access restrictions of any kind as it's not "their content" to manage. Plex has made this pretty clear.

 

Finally you have to come to terms with the Plex's transformation, if it looks like a turd, smells like a turd and has the distinct format of a turd, then only one conclusion it is a turd. No one in their sane mind would pick up and hug a turd, you burn the implement used to get rid of the turd.

Please don't desecrate the turd by comparing it to Plex.  Farmers love that "crap" and use it to grow food. This kind of sh*t has a real use.

Sorry couldn't resist. LOL

 

Hey thanks. @@cayars has made a lot of excellent points; much to the chagrin of plex co. It’s hard to argue well articulated facts.

 

The thing I’ve found interesting is their approach that we’re discussing here, our users VS plex’s users. I don’t fault anyone for trying to make a good living. I also understand that for someone like me, that paid $75 for a lifetime pass 5+ years probably isn’t real profitable. But they’ve never tried to really find a way to monetize me further. Before going after the people we share with, ad supported content etc id think they’d want to develop features/services for the server owners. The ones already deeply invested in it’s use.

 

Maybe I’m looking at too naively but the current approach is obviously turning long time users away and it’s hard to see that being sustainable either.

 

All that said, I’m very happy to be here. It’s definitely a change for the positive.

Ironically, I was a huge fan of the prototype IDEA of doing this but hated the implementation.  I had been after them to combine servers for a while which I think started this, but not sure.  But as often the case Plex takes a good idea and mucks it up.  The original intention I had proposed was to combine ADMIN SERVERS under one menu system, NOT ALL SERVERS.  The idea was to allow an admin to split their libraries among different servers.  Think TV Shows on one server while movies on another.  This would have been great for NAS users or later Shield TV servers.  Got 2 or 3 Shield TVs in the house?  Setup them up to act as servers with split functionality.  One with movies, one with TV Shows, one with music and home movies, etc Starting to use Plex Cloud?  Combine your local and cloud server, etc

 

Then when connecting instead of picking "Cayars Server1", "Cayars Server 2", "Cayars Server3" you would just connect to "Cayars" and get the combined list of libraries presented as if it were one big system (but ONLY my servers).  I still think this is a great idea and would love to see Emby do this correctly. :)  Using the Shield TVs as an example if one Shield TV can handle transcoding of 3 streams then with 3 different devices you could support possibly up to 9 transcode sessions in an ideal sequence of use.

 

Same thing with multiple "true servers on PCs".  You could split the load to 2 or more PC with QuickSync and get 5 or 6 (guessing) transcode sessions from each server without needing CPU resources.

 

But then Plex in it's infinite wisdom made two tragic mistakes.  First it combined ALL SERVERS vs just those ran/owned by one person (they did this because of the new content they wanted to add like News, Web Shows, etc to make it blend in I believe). Second they introduced the wacky TYPE FIRST menu system to help manage the big lists of libraries some people would have when they have access to many server shares.  They took IMHO a great idea and butchered it with a bad implementation.

 

Anyone who has shares to multiple servers all with a "Movies" and "TV Shows" library knows how painful this implementation is/was.  It's so easy to get lost on whose libraries you are playing back content from. Who's plugins were being used, etc.  Horrible, just really bad.

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But then Plex in it's infinite wisdom made two tragic mistakes.  First it combined ALL SERVERS vs just those ran/owned by one person (they did this because of the new content they wanted to add like News, Web Shows, etc to make it blend in I believe). Second they introduced the wacky TYPE FIRST menu system to help manage the big lists of libraries some people would have when they have access to many server shares.  They took IMHO a great idea and butchered it with a bad implementation.

 

Anyone who has shares to multiple servers all with a "Movies" and "TV Shows" library knows how painful this implementation is/was.  It's so easy to get lost on whose libraries you are playing back content from. Who's plugins were being used, etc.  Horrible, just really bad.

Agreed. It very much feels like the ultimate goal is to have their content blend in -  unfortunately without the ability for the admin to organize and control who should be seeing what content. We can also expect more of 'their' content to come, they've been clear about that.

 

Coupled with the fact it feels like their content push is taking a priority over some basic issues that need to be fixed or long term, much requested features. 

 

On an unrelated note - I love the fact Emby has server controls available on their mobile apps (at least on iOS). It's very nice not having to log into the web to access these.

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On an unrelated note - I love the fact Emby has server controls available on their mobile apps (at least on iOS). It's very nice not having to log into the web to access these.

Indeed, on the fly adjustments and fixing stuff, love it!

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