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wolfgang

Hi,

 

I'm on the latest version of the emby app for Fire TV. No  matter which content I want to stream, playback is not smooth in general and every few seconds there might be a bigger stutter. Very annoying. Tried to turn off and on VLC, didn't help. Tried alternatives like KODI, Plex, and with the same configuration they are very smooth. So my hardware is fine.

 

Can someone help me?

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Is your connection wired or wireless?

 

What is the type of content (video or film)?

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  • 2 weeks later...
wolfgang

Alright thank you, and sorry for the delay. I get very light but noticeable stutter for every single media, no matter which codec or container. The files are intact and play nicely and perfectly smooth in the same configuration using Kodi or Plex.

 

It's wired via Gigabit ethernet. Served by my Linux server (dual-core AMD, fast enough for transcoding SD material, which I only use anyway). There are no error messages. The same content streams at least locally just fine on my computer (Safari, OSX Mavericks)

 

Will try to upload the server log now.

 

Edit: Log file upload makes my browser go nuts here, seems to be too big. Where/how can I do that?

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I don't think a server log is going to tell us much in this instance.

 

Can you tell me what the last gray box says on the OSD during playback?

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wolfgang

I can't find any useful information on the OSD on the FireTV app (besides "Trans/I"), can you tell me more precisely what I should be looking for?

Just tried Emby on my old 2011 Samsung D-series Blurry player and playback is fine, so it should be an issue with the FireTV app.

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That's what I was looking for.  Thx.

 

Can you play something that produces the problem and then post the transcode log that will appear on the server?

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wolfgang

Alright, thank you.

 

 

 

http://10.0.0.30:8096/emby/videos/074cf3782afeac6e773412a74f775416/stream.mkv?DeviceId=9289182b4631b57a&MediaSourceId=074cf3782afeac6e773412a74f775416&VideoCodec=h264&AudioCodec=mp3&AudioStreamIndex=1&VideoBitrate=67004867&AudioBitrate=128000&PlaySessionId=5868be2e287c4f99b4729e46e2abdca8&api_key=65cbe5a00cc541379ddd8406aa7e3872&CopyTimestamps=true&ForceLiveStream=false

{"Protocol":"File","Id":"074cf3782afeac6e773412a74f775416","Path":"/media/data/video/Filme/Es - part01.avi","Type":"Default","Container":"avi","Name":"SD/MPEG4/MP3","RunTimeTicks":50109200000,"ReadAtNativeFramerate":false,"SupportsTranscoding":true,"SupportsDirectStream":true,"SupportsDirectPlay":true,"RequiresOpening":false,"RequiresClosing":false,"VideoType":"VideoFile","MediaStreams":[{"Codec":"mpeg4","CodecTag":"XVID","IsInterlaced":false,"BitRate":1033885,"RefFrames":1,"IsDefault":false,"IsForced":false,"Height":352,"Width":640,"AverageFrameRate":25,"RealFrameRate":25,"Profile":"Advanced Simple Profile","Type":"Video","AspectRatio":"20:11","Index":0,"IsExternal":false,"IsTextSubtitleStream":false,"SupportsExternalStream":false,"PixelFormat":"yuv420p","Level":5,"IsAnamorphic":false},{"Codec":"mp3","DisplayTitle":"MP3 stereo","IsInterlaced":false,"ChannelLayout":"stereo","BitRate":127904,"Channels":2,"SampleRate":48000,"IsDefault":false,"IsForced":false,"Type":"Audio","Index":1,"IsExternal":false,"IsTextSubtitleStream":false,"SupportsExternalStream":false,"Level":0}],"PlayableStreamFileNames":[],"Formats":[],"Bitrate":1170622,"RequiredHttpHeaders":{}}

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I want to add I tried a couple of mp4 files, they played directly and smoothly.

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Okay, before you said "no matter what codec or container" but mp4 does play well?

 

Were all the problem ones actually AVIs?

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wolfgang

Yes, it was a mistake. Seems like direct played movies are not affected. Sorry.

I will investigate now further.

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OK, this is interesting:

 

I threw a ton of AVIs on the app, most of them played directly and were fine. A couple of them needed transcoding, and they stuttered every few seconds shortly. My server's CPU is at around 140% for ffmpeg (dual core).

 

What caused my confusion was that every single video looks like it could be smoother, even in direct play. They don't really stutter, but they don't look perfectly smooth. This doesn't bother my that much right now, the transcoding stutters are much worse.

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joshroblee

Hi, I was wondering if you could either replace vlc or add the option to use a different player in the app.

The reason I ask is because vlc/built in player is struggling in the app to play some videos on my system, if I use a different player over upnp all the videos work fine.

Server 3.0.6000

Amazon fire TV 4k

S905 android box

Rk3368 android box

I really like the layout and presentation of the app and would really like to use it.

It is like vlc does not use hardware acceleration or something along those lines.

 

Thanks

Jamie

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By the way all vids are h264 acc and play direct, there is no transcoding and all vids work on rokus etc...

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Can you define "struggling"?

 

I don't see any issues playing most content on the Fire 4k (the stick is another matter...).

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it is dropping frames on 720p and 1080p videos 1-2 every second or two.

the units are wired to gigabit connections.

but it is also a problem on the s905 chip and rk3368, with any of them they struggle, skip frames using the emby android/amazon but not with other players.

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I would suspect that VLC does okay with those but that the Google (internal) player may not.  I have noticed its handling of 24hz pull-down to be pretty bad.

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OK, this is interesting:

 

I threw a ton of AVIs on the app, most of them played directly and were fine. A couple of them needed transcoding, and they stuttered every few seconds shortly. My server's CPU is at around 140% for ffmpeg (dual core).

 

What caused my confusion was that every single video looks like it could be smoother, even in direct play. They don't really stutter, but they don't look perfectly smooth. This doesn't bother my that much right now, the transcoding stutters are much worse.

 

Latest 1.2.24a for Fire TV on Fire TV Stick 2nd gen connected over WiFi.

 

Facing exactly the same problem. I would go further than @@wolfgang , last night my wife watched the first time over the Fire TV Emby app and she needed to close the movie because she got headache when watching. All movies are far away from smooth. No matter if transcoding to low bitrate, direct playing or remuxing. When Auto Streaming setting is enabled, all movies direct play or just audio is transcoded. So I would exclude the WiFi as fault factor. It's kinda weird Slo-Mo frame-drop juddering watching. Cannot explain exactly. I also tried all picture settings in my TV and framerates in Fire TV stick (including hidden 24Hz) with no better result.

 

The same files play perfectly smooth on same device using Kodi. Also Amazon Prime is working smoothly. @@ebr I'd love to give you logs, but like in wolfgangs case there are absolutely no errors :( It remembers me that it could have something to do with the player implementation FTV specific? A bit like a few months ago in Android app when @@Luke changed the libvlc version and the player was unusable.

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The stick is woefully under-powered and I suspect this is the root of the issue with VLC not being able to software decode fast enough.  We should be forcing a transcode on hi-def content to mitigate this.  Can you confirm that is still the case?

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The stick is woefully under-powered and I suspect this is the root of the issue with VLC not being able to software decode fast enough.  We should be forcing a transcode on hi-def content to mitigate this.  Can you confirm that is still the case?

 

I hope I understood you right :D

 

A force transcode is useless (at least in my case). Already tried every resolution transcode.  Also when transcoding a file to 1Mpbs e.g., the video smoothness is as bad as before.

 

I don't know if this is a useful information, but Kodi uses MediaCodec (Surface) Hardware-Acceleration on Fire TV stick https://developer.android.com/reference/android/media/MediaCodec.html 

When I change Kodi to SW decoding, the stick just shows a new picture every 5 seconds, so SW decoding is totally unusable on the Fire TV stick. But since the effects in this thread just describe a microjuddering crappy picture, I personally think that the Fire TV stick is not SW decoding in the Emby app. If so the movie would barely run and then freeze after an amount of seconds like in Kodi.

 

I hope you can clarify.

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So I returned the Fire TV Stick @@ebr and will receive the Fire TV 4K on Wednesday. This one will be connected hardwired. Let's see how it goes.

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@@ebr

 

So the truth is, you might be right.  I tested some files and they play smoothly on FireTV 4K hardwired on first look.

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