dougdude9 0 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Hello all, I'm an old lover, fan, user of Media Browser 3 inside WMC. It took me awhile to get everything working the way I wanted, but it all works fine. Long story short, I had to get the LAV filters as I was messing with Shark Codecs. Anyway, all that is old news. I never upgraded to anything else because everything worked fine and I was too chicken to change since it worked so well. Around the time I was trying to make everything work, Theater was in the works. I never checked it out, but is that project complete now? I'm asking because I want to upgrade to Windows 10. Windows 10 doesn't have WMC so I now need a new solution to watch all my movies that are in various formats... MKV, MP4, some are DTS others or some other audio. Again, it took me awhile to get it all working right, so now I'm hopeful there is some simple solution (perhaps it is Theater) that I can use instead of Media Browser 3 inside WMC. Thanks, Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deihmos 147 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 There are hundreds of these kind of threads. I would do a search instead. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraslor 70 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Emby theater, emby for kodi, emby windows 10 app. I'm using emby for kodi personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vidman 589 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 If everything is working exactly as you wish, why upgrade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plazma 13 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Don't forget emby in the brower ;-) however one of the great thinks about theater (as with emby wmc) is being able to use mpc-hc, reclock and madvr for the best possible quality as an external player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougdude9 0 Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 If everything is working exactly as you wish, why upgrade? The answer to that is in my post... "I'm asking because I want to upgrade to Windows 10. Windows 10 doesn't have WMC so I now need a new solution to watch all my movies that are in various formats... MKV, MP4, some are DTS others or some other audio." Kodi looks interesting. I had never even heard of it. I'm curious about Theater though and I don't see any tutorials on how to set it up. Do I have to mess with codecs or is all of that included? When I click on the Theater heading in the forums, there are 35 pages of posts. The one pinned at the top as 48 pages alone. Is there a tutorial somewhere for Theater? I also don't see any info on the Windows 10 app. What would be recommended and why? Theater, Kodi, or 10 app? I know Plazma said Theater has some great things about it and that is the way I'm leaning. Thanks, Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14905 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Do you actually mean you are currently on MB 2.x? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vidman 589 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 The answer to that is in my post... "I'm asking because I want to upgrade to Windows 10. Windows 10 doesn't have WMC so I now need a new solution to watch all my movies that are in various formats... MKV, MP4, some are DTS others or some other audio." Kodi looks interesting. I had never even heard of it. I'm curious about Theater though and I don't see any tutorials on how to set it up. Do I have to mess with codecs or is all of that included? When I click on the Theater heading in the forums, there are 35 pages of posts. The one pinned at the top as 48 pages alone. Is there a tutorial somewhere for Theater? I also don't see any info on the Windows 10 app. What would be recommended and why? Theater, Kodi, or 10 app? I know Plazma said Theater has some great things about it and that is the way I'm leaning. Thanks, Doug No you obviously misunderstood , if everything is working exactly as you wish why upgrade to win 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plazma 13 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Theatre has lav codecs with it ;-) no need for sharks ;-) if your rocking a NVidia with cuda make sure you change lav video decoder to use it ;-) Sure easy, download, install, sign in ;-) Although the integrated player looks really nice, if you want to get the best possible output grab the latest build of mpc-hc (also has lav codecs built in), re clock and mad-vr, I can help you get it going independently of Theatre. Once its up and going set theatre to use it as an external player, if you don't like it, cant get on set it back to the internal player. Depends what floats your boat ;-) just pm me if you need anything im happy to help you get either or both going ;-) Although I will say I do agree with others I don't really see the point of windows 10, I didn't want metro and its tonker toy interface, 10 is just 8 with a little less metro and a start button back, 7 is supported until 2019 so im gona give it another 4 years loving until it dies. Each to their own, if you want to rock it on ur box, its your box, do it dude ;-) Edited July 30, 2015 by plazma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret1958 26 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Wait a few weeks for the NEW Theater build to be released.. You wont regret. the current Theater can be great and then a total pain in the Ars interacting with the server. If you are relying on a HDMI audio pass-through then theater is the only ticket.( I hear the 8.1 app plays mkv's DTS) I have not had luck. I have tried every scenario for a win 10 build with theater and it is a no go as of this date. a NEW Theater Rewrite is what we are waiting on and is promised... Maybe another update to its progress ?.. Its is suppose to be a Killer app.. But not in its current state as it is just not stable-reliable, just when you think all is well it craps out.... wait .... If you need to upgrade to win10 the just direct play with MPC-HC_64 it sets up nicely just remember the key fix... for stop/close player function with your remote..... Wait for a menu system if you can ..unless you like doing system restores and uninstalls. Just my thought if you have to make the switch now.. Remember the current version of theater will not uninstall correctly.. leaving behind who knows what in the registry. something you don't want on a newly install OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vidman 589 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) In another thread like mentioned the new version of emby theatre should be released in a matter of weeks... Not months:) Edited July 31, 2015 by Vidman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plazma 13 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) If you are relying on a HDMI audio pass-through then theater is the only ticket Say what... reclock will do this for any windows program, for example my old man used on his setup to drop / down mix down to ac3 to pass over to his slightly older amp connected by spdiff, in his case the back ends mpc-hc. Only using 2 channel over hdmi and everything works fine as your always outputting to stereo raw.(as I do) and not from theatre. Are you sure your issue isn't the equipment/amp/tv pass through your connecting to doesn't support say dts (similar to my old mans setup) and instead will only take doby ac3. If so just setting reclock to take the dts, re-encode on the fly to ac3 (re-compressed) and then passed down the line to the amp.in a format it can work with. For example see thread here : http://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-home-theater-computers/1411453-mpc-hc-reclock-hdmi-out-not-working.html Edited July 31, 2015 by plazma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougdude9 0 Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 Theatre has lav codecs with it ;-) no need for sharks ;-) if your rocking a NVidia with cuda make sure you change lav video decoder to use it ;-) Sure easy, download, install, sign in ;-) Although the integrated player looks really nice, if you want to get the best possible output grab the latest build of mpc-hc (also has lav codecs built in), re clock and mad-vr, I can help you get it going independently of Theatre. Once its up and going set theatre to use it as an external player, if you don't like it, cant get on set it back to the internal player. Depends what floats your boat ;-) just pm me if you need anything im happy to help you get either or both going ;-) Although I will say I do agree with others I don't really see the point of windows 10, I didn't want metro and its tonker toy interface, 10 is just 8 with a little less metro and a start button back, 7 is supported until 2019 so im gona give it another 4 years loving until it dies. Each to their own, if you want to rock it on ur box, its your box, do it dude ;-) Thanks a ton Plazma! I will mess around with it. I might wait for the new Theater to come out. I have no idea what "re clock" is as I have never needed it. My Theater is setup with the HDMI out of the computer (NVidia), into a Denon receiver (I think the AVR X4000 or something like that), and that goes to a Epson projector. My main concern has always been "Will it play all the various types of files I have?" I remember sometimes I would get it to work fine for one type of audio, but it wouldn't for another type. I would change something to make it work for the type that wasn't working, but then that would break something else. If Theater doens't work well in 10, then I will wait to upgrade for now. Thanks! Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koleckai Silvestri 1150 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Wait a few weeks for the NEW Theater build to be released.. You wont regret. the current Theater can be great and then a total pain in the Ars interacting with the server. Is it really only a few weeks away? I've been waiting for the "New" Theater build since December 2014 and they said it was only a few weeks away then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plazma 13 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) I have no idea what "re clock" is as I have never needed it. My Theater is setup with the HDMI out of the computer (NVidia), into a Denon receiver (I think the AVR X4000 or something like that), and that goes to a Epson projector. According to Denon's website your amp supports DTS: http://usa.denon.com/us/product/hometheater/avreceiversht/avrx4000 Its safe to assume if it does that it will also support AC3 if you wanted to use re-clock. Basically re-clock when used in conjunction with frame rate/hz matching (mpc-hc has it built in), I maybe wrong but I think it was or there was discussions about implementing it into theatre (although its been a long time since I installed it). Say your TV Supports 24p / 50hz / 60hz (most do). You drag 23.976 upto 24 fps (reclock re-process the audio to ac3 and compensate so it matches perfectly). 29.97 gets dragged upto 30fps (and displayed at 60hz) so again it matches perfectly. No need for dropping frames or doubling occasional frames at render level to make it work on a miss matched fps at x fixed hz output. In the case you have an older amp that doesn't do DTS you can just use reclock to reprocess the audio as ac3 so your amp/receiver can deal with a surround signal. Problem is without re-clock you cant just get the pc to demux to raw 5.1 and 7.1 only raw 2.0 (stereo) is supported over spdif/hdmi/digitial audio outs, reclock just re-encodes to ac3 on the fly and hence sends ac3 down the wire/optical cable. More on reclock can be found here: https://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?63521-ReClock-1-8-8-5&s=86c6b8c73c99582f01a313a29311218c Edited July 31, 2015 by plazma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret1958 26 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 (edited) Say what... reclock will do this for any windows program, for example my old man used on his setup to drop / down mix down to ac3 to pass over to his slightly older amp connected by spdiff, in his case the back ends mpc-hc. Only using 2 channel over hdmi and everything works fine as your always outputting to stereo raw.(as I do) and not from theatre. Are you sure your issue isn't the equipment/amp/tv pass through your connecting to doesn't support say dts (similar to my old mans setup) and instead will only take doby ac3. If so just setting reclock to take the dts, re-encode on the fly to ac3 (re-compressed) and then passed down the line to the amp.in a format it can work with. For example see thread here : http://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-home-theater-computers/1411453-mpc-hc-reclock-hdmi-out-not-working.html What I had in mind was Bluray folder rips without transcoding on Win10 with a workable Presenter/Player... IE "the new theater" along with server.. As for reclock I never had a need to use it or purposely new I was using it.. as my set up's played well.. DTS HD Master-Dolby TrueHD ..on my trusty Denon....4308 ...I see no need to transcode/stream for the house theater and we no longer play standard DVD's if we do they have worked fine all these years without reclocking anything,... transcoding to a hand set still proves to be a pain with Emby. If I want a stream.. Amazon or Netflix does it well. I use Emby and pay for it ...for one purpose to play Movies in full HD format in the house theater.... and hopefully one day Fully use a handset or tablet as a remote control with a great color screen .. not a player... As for MB2-3 with MPC-HC they Worked fine (although clunky) but only got easier in the last few years to set up as we got past all the external filter set up Jazz. Now MPHC requires no external filters, as well as Theater. The Idea of THEATER was right on and badly needed. But other things got in its way I guess... The need to upgrade to Win10 is subjective, as in my case it was financial. 7 setups free.. others may be stuck in win 8 IDK but WIN10 is good.. By no means dreaded. I have had to roll back 2 of them as I wait for "Theater in its new form" And I don't miss WMC as the only reason it was needed was to use the add on.. MediaBrowser. With all the new coding for Handhelds the once reliable set up is no longer.. I think its all at a turning point of no going back.. Just wish New Theater would get its Arss out the door and all this conversation would be mute. Edited August 1, 2015 by bret1958 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret1958 26 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 (edited) BTW... Theater is working with proper hdmi audio tonight on a win10 build. Installed the latest theater version not sure if its been tweeked in the last week or RTM has had a few adjustments. ( Theater did a full black screen of death) and had to be reinstalled by deleting all the Theater folders in users/appdata/roaming... But then took off just fine. we will see how it holds up over a few days. Edited August 1, 2015 by bret1958 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plazma 13 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Im not saying your problem isn't windows 10 and existing theatre giving issues with hdmi audio, but ive this very fuzzy memory of a very very similar issue in either the early days of vista or 7 by where if there was silence on the digital audio out for to long the amp/receive would lose the signal. I remember a very fudgie work around someone wrote to spit out a silent wav file between doing other things to hold the channel open. Not saying it is, just something that popped into my head. most wont need reclock if your leaving your screen at a fixed hz setting, however mpc-hc has framerate auto hz adjust built in, throw on a d3d or better yet madvr render for a faster and better quality render and reclock allows you to get the best possible picture (framerate match) by trading what to me is an unperceivable difference in audio quality on my setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebr 14905 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 What I had in mind was Bluray folder rips without transcoding on Win10 with a workable Presenter/Player... I think you will continue to have troubles achieving your nirvana if you stick with BD folder rips. The choices for playing those back exactly as designed (other than a dedicated BD player) are going to be very limited. Arcsoft discontinued theirs so PDVD might be the only one left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret1958 26 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 (edited) As long as anydvd is on a system, the media (BD Folders) pretty much becomes workable. Plays perfect with Mpc-hc and lukes version of what ever player he is using in Theater.. The issues that I have with theater is with it interacting with the server (and it is different with the builds).. now causing a black screen of death and is repeatable. If one setup goes black they all go black.. (on start up Theater... Diplays just a black screen of death with no way out) takes a reinstall to fix. Also server says its trancoding but shows no signs of it as nothing is reported and there is absoluty no load on the server... EMBY wmc reports the same media as Direct Play. That is minor and just a fussy anoyance.. I cant get Server/Theater combo to report direct play on anything.. yet I think that is excactly what it is doing. When the server is trancoding it shows as you can see in the attachment the buffer line when it transcodes something that is not set up properly in network shares. also it reports its activity when moused over.. when the shares are set right there are no buffer lines showing and no activity reported in a mouse over and no server load. (but yet displays Trancoding in the server window). So that leaves the issue as just server not reporting Direct play properly, when Theater is in play and Theater Crapping out with the Black Screen of Death, and at times (as of last week) forcing a system restore to fix it all.. Beside its other couphs.. (Error messages) that I will admit has gotten less as I discover what they are caused by.. (but the player in the back ground of the overlay has got me stumped as well as the miniture unfocused window after a amp shut down.) I do now have luck in just deleting the Theater folder and reistall.. on the new build or win10 rtm's new updates. Takes 5 Minutes So I am no longer intested in crying about theater or posting logs as I will just wait for the new release. But I hope to God I do not have to handbrake to MKV over 600 Blurays. That for me is out of the question.. What on earth would I do with all that hard disk space left after conversion I do not share my media so to me MKV's have always been a why? for me.. I don't stream to tablets as It bores me to death. (I only own one for My bedtime news reading..) Maybe I am a dreamer, I But I do hope to have what I had in mb2-3 that played it all just fine.. in the final product of theater. its been years of waiting for something as complete as Lukes eternal project (what a great thing 2 downloads and a few clicks and presto playing your media in a format it was intended to be played in..) I do find Win10 Lighter and more responsive and some neat features. So I am not going back to WIn7 Emby server is working fine on it, ( acts no different with the issues i have spoken about on a win 7 build) and as of yesterday The Current Build of theater is too.. I believe it may be something to do with the new Hdmi Drivers introduced it the latest update to rtm. I have 2 win 7 builds left and that is the Main House Theater setup and my apartment Theater setup, only so that i can have EMBY WMC available for the EMBY Theater melt down moments. but i do have win10 set and ready in dual boot mode when the time comes. Theater is what it is... and I not going to complain about it any more.. If the devs are truly hard at it.. on the rewrite then having them mess with the current version is really a waste of time. Again I say a solid EMBY Theater It is what is needed for me...and I hope to see it soon. I spent alot of money building up a good redundant network that is spread out over 2 buildings.. Just to direct play BD's on 2 - Quality 124" screens and I want to keep it that way. You see I don't vacation or travel to a theater as it is 50 miles away and as I am a small business owner so I am stuck near home...so my only hobby is My dog, The house.. watching Movies and Tinkering with my setups.. God speed to the Coders.... Wish I could help... but a few macros and a couple hacks is all you could get out of me... So I support the project with my meager subscriptions and donations over the years and look forward to its completion ( well..stable version .. )... Edited August 2, 2015 by bret1958 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathsquirrel 741 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 @Brett1958 playback of bluray rips just isn't likely to get much attention moving forward. Convert the rips to mkv. Don't compress the audio or video if you don't want to. If you don't, the conversion takes no more time than a file copy and the resulting file is identical to the source but in a format that works with far more devices and players. Or keep banging your head into a wall. It's your head, your wall, and your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret1958 26 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 @Brett1958 playback of bluray rips just isn't likely to get much attention moving forward. Convert the rips to mkv. Don't compress the audio or video if you don't want to. If you don't, the conversion takes no more time than a file copy and the resulting file is identical to the source but in a format that works with far more devices and players. Or keep banging your head into a wall. It's your head, your wall, and your time. Guess I am stubborn but will always look at new tricks, last time I handbraked a standard dvd at best quality it took 8 cores 2.5 hrs. I am open to your suggestion as to a proper program to use, I don't like banging head I am to old .I have always just ran Anydvd and made a full backup and off I went all worked well tell a month ago and then all hell broke loose. Would another option going forward be to just do an Iso rip ? but that seems like it would put me back in the same positon.. I have no interest in watching on a tablet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianW 1052 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 (edited) If you want to keep the original quality then probably the best tool to use is MakeMKV - it rips DVDs and BluRays and simply puts the original video and original audio (you can select the tracks - e.g. leave out unwanted foreign tracks to save space) into an MKV container. It's a very quick process - takes about as long as ripping the disk as there's no encode time. The quality will be exactly the same as the original disk, you'll get the benefit of emby chapters and you'll save disk space (if you removed audio tracks). Edited August 2, 2015 by AdrianW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret1958 26 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 If you want to keep the original quality then probably the best tool to use is MakeMKV - it rips DVDs and BluRays and simply puts the original video and original audio (you can select the tracks - e.g. leave out unwanted foreign tracks to save space) into an MKV container. It's a very quick process - takes about as long as ripping the disk as there's no encode time. The quality will be exactly the same as the original disk, you'll get the benefit of emby chapters and you'll save disk space (if you removed audio tracks). Thanks I will give it a shot.. not looking forward to converting the whole library.. Hope that is not what I have to do.. but as they say you can't fight city hall. I will check it out on future backups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plazma 13 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I think both makemkv and mkvtoolnix can be scripted from the command line, then just use something like a forfiles batch script to loop through your collection ;-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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