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fantaxp7

Better late than never I suppose. Should have been this way out of the gate. 

 

Microsoft has been doing a lot of cool stuff lately. I think they are trying to win back the people.

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chef

I wounder if I'll be able to play Forces Unleased with the next generation kinect?

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techywarrior

Why should you expect a console to be backward compatible with a previous generation?

 

I'm thrilled they have done it but this expectation since the PS2 offered it is sort of crazy.

 

What I think is more impressive is that they are even able to do it at all. The Xbox 360 is a very powerful machine and it has a completely different architecture to the x86 based Xbox One. They aren't exactly explaining if it's real emulation, recompiled code that is downloaded, or what but if it's even mostly emulation that's a hell of a job by the Xbox team. Just look at the state of emulators on the PC for older consoles (granted they have to reverse engineer stuff to figure it all out) but even older consoles aren't 100% emulated on PC. Most are "good enough" emulation. Excited to see the available games when it officially launches later this year, and how often they add new compatible games. Would be great to be able to play my 360 games from my living room without having to go into my downstairs game room.

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chef

I was suprised also. I am glad to play my old games for sure!

 

 

From what I understand, is that you have to place the disc in the console, and it saves it to the machine. There must be some sort of code rewrite, or DLC code added to make it work.

 

 

Next Gen games are just so much better, but I have my old favorited. Like (and I am being honest) Halo (3) There's just something about it!

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techywarrior

haha, well I am hoping that my old favorites get compatibility:

 

Tales of Vesparia

Alan Wake

Heroes of Might and Magic

Dust

Shoot Many Robots

 

and some other games I have laying around

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Xzener

The games are digital downloads. If you have a compatible game that you previously bought and downloaded via Xbox Live, it will be available for download for free. If you own a compatible game disk, simply insert it and it will be available for download.

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techywarrior

That part wasn't supe clear actually. They said "download" when you put in the disc and also when they described the emulator they said something like "it doesn't read the game from the disc" but that was in them explaining how it WAS an emulator. To me an emulator DOES read the original disc/rom etc. If they are simply recompiling the game and letting you download it if authorized then it's not really an emulator. They also mentioned that when the game loads it will first load the "emulator" and you will see that first.

 

(if you are playing a disc based game, even though it downloads/installs you still need the disc in for authentication, just like an Xbox One game)

 

Regardless of how exactly it works (and I'm sure we'll learn more once the preview people start playing with it) it's a pretty great achievement. Now lets hope they add lots of games relatively quickly and don't abandon the idea within a year like previous console emulation attempts.

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CBers

At least I won't have to buy a new version of Minecraft for my daughter now :D

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techywarrior

At least I won't have to buy a new version of Minecraft for my daughter now :D

 

Well, if you own Minecraft for Xbox 360 they were giving you the upgrade for $5 anyways. Or are they not doing that anymore?

 

No guarantee Minecraft will be one of the compatible games when it launches either.

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Did they? Must have missed that. Haven't had my Xbox One very long.

 

I would expect it to be on the list though, now that MS own it.

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chef

Well, if you own Minecraft for Xbox 360 they were giving you the upgrade for $5 anyways. Or are they not doing that anymore?

 

No guarantee Minecraft will be one of the compatible games when it launches either.

I wish R* did that with GTA V, oh well it was extremely worth buying the whole thing again anyway.

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fantaxp7

Why should you expect a console to be backward compatible with a previous generation?

 

I'm thrilled they have done it but this expectation since the PS2 offered it is sort of crazy.

 

What I think is more impressive is that they are even able to do it at all. The Xbox 360 is a very powerful machine and it has a completely different architecture to the x86 based Xbox One. They aren't exactly explaining if it's real emulation, recompiled code that is downloaded, or what but if it's even mostly emulation that's a hell of a job by the Xbox team. Just look at the state of emulators on the PC for older consoles (granted they have to reverse engineer stuff to figure it all out) but even older consoles aren't 100% emulated on PC. Most are "good enough" emulation. Excited to see the available games when it officially launches later this year, and how often they add new compatible games. Would be great to be able to play my 360 games from my living room without having to go into my downstairs game room.

Nintendo did so with the wii and the wii u I believe. 

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Why should you expect a console to be backward compatible with a previous generation?

 

Nintendo did so with the wii and the wii u I believe.

Actually, backwards compatibility was not uncommon for earlier generations. While my Atari 5200 wasn't compatible with my 2600, but the 7800 was. Sega had a plug-in for the Genesis that allowed you to play Master System games. As mentioned the Wii series could sorta run GameCube games, and many Gameboys would play games from the earlier types. All the PlayStations (except the most recent) had some form as well as the Vita. The XB360 did for a number of games. TurboGraphix (sp?) and Sega both had handhelds that played their consoles' games.

 

It used to be that companies would use backwards compatibility to solve library issues early in the consoles life. It seems that the plan now is to have huge release titles instead.

 

Anyway, I don't know if I will actually use this feature, even though it is very very cool. I play mostly "big games" like RPGs that I would probably not want to start over from scratch. I still have a pile of stuff to catch up on already. Hmmmm, when did the 360 start cloud saving? I wonder if those saves would be used.

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techywarrior

Nintendo did so with the wii and the wii u I believe. 

Gamecube, Wii, and Wii U are all basically the same devices but with improvements to clockspeed, GPU power, memory, etc. They are more akin to you buying a new PC. That's why Wii could play Gamecube games, and the Wii U plays Wii games. The only limitation really was the controller ports for the GC games (hence you can't play them on the Wii U)

 

TG16 and it's portable system were also the same hardware.

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chef

Dear Gawd! Techs you bought the 5200? Was that the one with the compartment in the back of it, an it was the size of a coffee table?? Or was that the 8200? I had a 2600. My how times have changed... Lol

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techywarrior

That was Raff not me. I was a child in South Africa... I think we got (the country, not me personally) the 2600 in like 1984 and it cost more then a TV.

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Dear Gawd! Techs you bought the 5200? Was that the one with the compartment in the back of it, an it was the size of a coffee table?? 

Technically my uncle bought it. I was raised by my grandparents and he was only 8 years older than I was and living at home. It was huge but a lot of it was the controller storage in back. My favorite game was Star Raiders, which used the keypad to do stuff. At the time I thought it was AMAZING, my how times have changed!

 

Back on (off) topic - I did just look through my 360 collection. While not on the current list, I'd love to go through DX: Human Revolution again. I played (and finished) it before they updated the boss fights, so that would be an interesting experience. The original Bioshock would be another candidate.

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techywarrior

MS's Xbox Uservoice page has a section where they are taking votes on games for backward compatibility. They said there is basically no limitation but they have to get the permission of the developer/distributor to add a game (plus I think there is some amount of work MS has to do).

 

https://xbox.uservoice.com/forums/298503

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Koleckai Silvestri

My enthusiasm all depends on the game support. My autistic stepson still comes downstairs to play the XBOX 360 once or twice a month because it has a more games than he has on his XBOX One. If he can transfer those games to the XBOX One, I can get rid of the 360 since it just sits unused 95% of the time as it is.

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Deathsquirrel

Actually, backwards compatibility was not uncommon for earlier generations. While my Atari 5200 wasn't compatible with my 2600, but the 7800 was. Sega had a plug-in for the Genesis that allowed you to play Master System games. As mentioned the Wii series could sorta run GameCube games, and many Gameboys would play games from the earlier types. All the PlayStations (except the most recent) had some form as well as the Vita. The XB360 did for a number of games. TurboGraphix (sp?) and Sega both had handhelds that played their consoles' games.

 

In most of those cases the backward compatibility came from either the new system just being a souped-up copy of the old system such as the Wii running Gamecube games, or the manufacturer offering an 'adapter' that was the whole original system in a shrunk-down format such as the master system adapter for the genesis.  The Turbo Express and Sega Nomad were simply portable versions of the standard hardware but didn't offer any special form of backward compatibility...unless you plug in your master system adapter to the top of your Nomad I suppose.  I might have to try that.

 

We've hit a point where hardware backward compatibility is probably too expensive a function to expect.  That's why it was dropped from the PS3 early on.  Software-based compatibility is a surprising offering considering the relative system power of the 360 and xbox one.  Pretty sweet addition if it works well.

 

What would be really fun, and likely super easy, is backward compatibility for original xbox games on the xbox one.  Both were x86 windows devices.   You'd think that would be a piece of cake to offer.

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Dear Gawd! Techs you bought the 5200? Was that the one with the compartment in the back of it, an it was the size of a coffee table?? Or was that the 8200? I had a 2600. My how times have changed... Lol

 

Hey, don't knock my 5200.  I had good times with that machine and it does have the distinction of having the single worst game controller in the history of consoles.  An analog stick that didn't self-center so your character was constantly drifting slightly off true....with a mess of buttons in a grid below the stick where they were stupidly unusable.  Played the heck out of Moon Patrol and football on that box.

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chef

Woo Hoo, Red Dead Redemption all over again

I have heard leaks of Red Dead 2...

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Hey, don't knock my 5200. I had good times with that machine and it does have the distinction of having the single worst game controller in the history of consoles. An analog stick that didn't self-center so your character was constantly drifting slightly off true....with a mess of buttons in a grid below the stick where they were stupidly unusable. Played the heck out of Moon Patrol and football on that box.

LMFAO. The key pad! I remember the key pad. It was like a phone. If you ever have a chance Chek out "Angry Video Game Nerd" on YouTube, you will laugh when he gets to the Atari systems. Brilliant stuff!

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